650 horse, 4x4, what's the cost.
No fanny comments please or internet heroes.

 

10k engine, 10k transmission 2k management 1k fuelling

 

I would say closest but you forgot turbo and manifold, I always say think of a cost and double it.

Mark

 

Yes and depends who builds it also as you could spend the same again fixing itif you are unlucky.

Mark

 

Got to be looking at least 18 - 20 grand for a genuine well built engine ready to go with management! So all in all a lot of money at a guess with gearbox diffs suspension rear beam brakes! I doubt your get much change from 35 grand

 

A 3.5inch exhaust is also needed and Intercooler and trick breather and a 650hp fuel system is not cheap, So deff the think of a price and double deff works as a good guide lol.

Mark

 

A thread like this will always lead to conflict lol as there's 650bhp engines then there's proper 650bhp engines

 

Look at the 55 grand rally cross yb thread where people were saying it was over priced and could be done a lot cheaper! Think of the development that's gone into that engine to make it race ready reliable and the fact it's done by a proven builder!
Ok it's not hard to bolt a yb together but making it reliable flat out with 3 times or more the power it came with is a very different game!

 

Its not rocket science though??

You going to need at least a good nikasil linered block with good internals and pistons and then a proper head and cam spec along with the latest spec of turbo and manifolds..

Any and every good tuner will have his way of doing things but most of the parts will be as good as the others,its just a matter of talking to a tuner you can get on with and trust and go from there..

A proper genuine bench dynoed 650 hp with all the right bits and a good ecu etc should be around the £20k mark imo...

The gearbox and diffs and fuel system is the same thing,every one will have thier choice so go with what you trust and get the best prices possible

 

A bloody lot of money! Lol

 

Pm'd fella

 

The nearest answer yet .

Not many know what it costs to build to the highest standard using all the best parts.

 

All depends what it going to be used for. Deep pockets regardless.

 

oh dear rog, didnt you get an uprated box? its a slippery slope!


as for the answer , mildly tunned 996 money

 

Dont forget though rod were not talking about your engine here!!lol..

Just a mere mortal 650 hp so just a snip of the cost in comparison and pretty slow too??

 

£4.73 and alot of will!

 

500-1000 for management I wouldn't compliment a 650hp engine with a megasquirt.

I agree with Mark that whatever you think it will cost double it and by the time it's up and running you won't be far off.

 

To do it correctly
35k engine turbo manifolds
transmission 4x4 17-20k 2wd 15k
suspension correct geometry ect 10k

If anyone can do it for less in new parts they will need a trailer for most of there journey's

 

same as ever it's not the actual engine (which of course will cost a fortune) but all the ancillaries that'll add up - fuel system, suspension, brakes, diffs, management, gearbox, gauges, etc - a 650bhp car is a fucking weapon, it's no good just banging a massive lump into a car that's not built for it or at best it'll be constantly breaking, at worst you'll hurt yourself & others.

 

Buy a wrc car and SAVE yourself some money��

 

I would say
15-20k engine
20-25k getting the car to live up to the engine...

 

Running a wrc car is going to be slightly more expensive to run than a taxi with a posh engine and gearbox lol

 

Maybe not in the long run!

 

It was a joke tho

 

Would you not be beteer off putting a skyline motor and gearbox in?





















































runs off to get tin hat!!!!

 

Or just buy a skyline?....runs off to bomb shelter....

 

far more than it would ever be worth spending on a cossie, dont get me wrong i love cossies but for what it would cost i would rather buy a car that can handle being high powered and will actually drive nice at the end of it!

 

a stock gearbox will cope for a while, engine would need a few bits to be reliable but not crazy money should be cheaper than a yb and cos 4x4 box mods but the rb26 and box will carry a weight disadvantage.

when a healthy stock rb26 at stage 1 will make upto 450 hp it shows how easy 650 hp will be attainable compared to a yb but rb26s always seem to lack in torque I think due to being a short stroke, they love to rev though and have solid lifters stock.

 

Whats a Skyine got to do with modifying a Cosworth. A Veyron would be quicker or maybe a jet engine in a Corsa would be quicker than a 650 Cossie but its not what this thread is about.

 

Excuse my ignorance on this topic as I've never had such a spec, but is the cost of building a genuine 500 Bhp car A LOT cheaper?? I'm guessing the cost goes up hugely from 500 to 650 ??

Thanks

 

I won't too do mine I'm just doing all the other bits round the car first!
But at a guess engine wise I think ill be looking at rods pistons head gasket head work cam liners oil spray jets exhaust manifold turbo and mapping

 

I thought yours was 500 Spec already ??

 

Andy,

You're on a GT3076 yes?

 

You could build a 500bhp RWD sierra pretty cheaply if you used a 302 V8 and two small turbos.

 

I am mate but i won't wrc longer rods liners and a twin scroll set up

 

650bhp is cheap to do, might only do it once though, just a big turbo with NOS to get it flowing enough gas to spool up.
it shouldn't be that expensive if you are a fabricator or can get parts at trade or know someone who has the knowledge and tooling to do the work.
there are no real secrets to building an engine, but lots of r+d to find a good combination of parts to get it a good overall package.
£10k on an engine would be reasonable, £4k on turbo and manifold.
management £2k+, then mapping on top.
drivetrain is up to you really as to how it will be used, 10k on a box that could hold together???
so many mixed opinions i guess, big modern twin scroll turbo will spool faster and make more power than an old T series afterall, port work, flowed manifolds, big IC, cams etc.

good luck if that is something you're interested in doing, budget twice spend once

 

Easy then !! .
It does make you chuckle all these experts without a clue. You dont own a XR2 do you they all have 650bhp I hear.

 

Can somebody itemise this please.

Are you using all new parts?

Are you paying ridiculous labour rates?

 

Nikasil linered block £2.5k
lightweight crank £1k
wrc long rod £750
cosworth race pistons short skirt(or similar)£650

worked head from a good cast £1200

new springs£150

a pair of cams to spec £320

tubular manifold £900

bw turbo s300 to spec £1100

tial w/g £450

hart inlet plenum or similar £400

big injectors to suit £300

decent management and engine loom £2200

long studs and nuts £150

gaskets sundries etc £500_£600

labour to assemble and the bench dyno £1500

there will be other odds and ends but thats about right and should be good for the right hp

so yes imo easily achieved these days for around the £15k or below mark!!

God knows where £35k is coming from???

Of course you could spend more and go even further with alloy blocks and or 2.2 bottom ends and silly priced long studs and inlet plenums etc but i think most tuners would be happy to build an engine to the above spec and get circa 600-650 hp for £15 k...?

As said its not as hard as once believed to get big power now days..

500 hp now literally is a well built long studded 200 blocked engine with a decent blower a good inlet cam and a half decent inlet plenum!! back in the day tuners did everything they could to get over 500 hp at a massive cost and it still was nothing like todays spool and lb ft to drive..

 

Like the one above