TDCI Injectors
I had some reconditioned injectors fitted this time last year and have done 25,000 miles and tonight on way to work my engine management light come I got a feeling its the injectors again as I have noticed the car to be sluggish and on tick over it ticks over but very lumpy like its going to cut out it did this last time too and when you accelerate the light comes on 

What I'd like to know is what if any sort of warranty should I have there's nothing written on receipt I got and nothing on there website?
Off to bed now so will have to call them thus afternoon
Brian


What I'd like to know is what if any sort of warranty should I have there's nothing written on receipt I got and nothing on there website?
Off to bed now so will have to call them thus afternoon
Brian
My reply to another thread,saves me retyping it all.
https://passionford.com/forum/genera...not-start.html
https://passionford.com/forum/genera...not-start.html
On your diagnostics can you access live data from ECU?
To test the Fuel rail pressure, disconnect all the injector multi plugs and the inlet metering valve (brown plug on the 'pump') then crank for 5 secs. Fuel pressure should be 1600bar. It'll need 250 bar to start/idle with everything plugged in.
(with the IMV disconnected the pump should deliver it's maximum pressure)
Obviously you need to make sure the low pressure side is primed before doing this!
As others have said, hand primer on the filter normally works, I've never cracked off the injectors on a TDCI when trying to start it, never needed to. Surely that will draw air in..
If you have P0251 it could be a pump problem, but it could also be fault with injectors/air leaks/filter blocked/fuel pipes crimped.
With fuel low pressure side primed and fuel pressure tested, if the pressure is low you need to do a leak off test on the injectors.
(random google pic)
If you haven't got the fancy kit to test leak off, just get 4 EQUAL lengths of washer pipe that'll fit on the injector leak offs and 4 tubs/bottles/whatever that are transparent.
Again disconnect the injectors and inlet metering valve, and 5 sec crank and check if fuel is present in any of the hoses, if one has a load of fuel in, there's your faulty injector that is losing your fuel pressure!
If you can get it started, you can run it with the leak offs into the containers and run it for a minute to see how your leak offs compare.
When Transits and Mondeos had all the injector problems we had to ring Ford prior approval to get them to authorise the replacement under warranty, proper ball ache having to go through the results of all of the above, plus compression test results...
Ford prior approval : "whats your 1 min run test leak off quantity"
GVK - "Haven't done one"
Ford prior approval "Why not?"
GVK - "It fills the bottle in 30 secs, If I run it for a minute it'll piss diesel on the floor!
Ford prior approval "Oh, errr, I see - fit an injector in that cylinder then.."
To test the Fuel rail pressure, disconnect all the injector multi plugs and the inlet metering valve (brown plug on the 'pump') then crank for 5 secs. Fuel pressure should be 1600bar. It'll need 250 bar to start/idle with everything plugged in.
(with the IMV disconnected the pump should deliver it's maximum pressure)
Obviously you need to make sure the low pressure side is primed before doing this!
As others have said, hand primer on the filter normally works, I've never cracked off the injectors on a TDCI when trying to start it, never needed to. Surely that will draw air in..
If you have P0251 it could be a pump problem, but it could also be fault with injectors/air leaks/filter blocked/fuel pipes crimped.
With fuel low pressure side primed and fuel pressure tested, if the pressure is low you need to do a leak off test on the injectors.
(random google pic)
If you haven't got the fancy kit to test leak off, just get 4 EQUAL lengths of washer pipe that'll fit on the injector leak offs and 4 tubs/bottles/whatever that are transparent.
Again disconnect the injectors and inlet metering valve, and 5 sec crank and check if fuel is present in any of the hoses, if one has a load of fuel in, there's your faulty injector that is losing your fuel pressure!
If you can get it started, you can run it with the leak offs into the containers and run it for a minute to see how your leak offs compare.
When Transits and Mondeos had all the injector problems we had to ring Ford prior approval to get them to authorise the replacement under warranty, proper ball ache having to go through the results of all of the above, plus compression test results...
Ford prior approval : "whats your 1 min run test leak off quantity"
GVK - "Haven't done one"
Ford prior approval "Why not?"
GVK - "It fills the bottle in 30 secs, If I run it for a minute it'll piss diesel on the floor!
Ford prior approval "Oh, errr, I see - fit an injector in that cylinder then.."
Last edited by GVK.; Jul 24, 2013 at 07:04 PM.
P0251 (P1211 will no doubt follow shortly) can be caused by a number of things -there are some suggestions on this thread. I'd strongly advise getting a diagnosis, rather than swapping parts at random and praying, as it can quickly get expensive though!
My reply to another thread,saves me retyping it all.
https://passionford.com/forum/genera...not-start.html
https://passionford.com/forum/genera...not-start.html

Brian
P0251 (P1211 will no doubt follow shortly) can be caused by a number of things -there are some suggestions on this thread. I'd strongly advise getting a diagnosis, rather than swapping parts at random and praying, as it can quickly get expensive though!

I have a new fuel filter in the garage might change it and she if that helps other than that its booked back in to where I had the injectors fitted last year

Brian
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