I know a few people on here have Focus ST's

Have you seen the thread on FSTOC regarding this mod?

Its a £1000 mod that stops you cracking liners on your ST once you start modding your ST over 300bhp.

But Jam sport are refusing to tell you what the mod is, would you pay a grand for this not having the first clue what there doing?

 

Can't blame them really as they would never make any money if they gave away their secrets.

I'm sure there are plenty of other tuners that will also know how to stop this from happening, start looking around in the Volvo world

 

I wouldnt pay Jamsport anymoney, for anything.

 

Being a st owner ive looked into this and tbh i can see both sides ! as a customer its always nice to see where your money is going BUT on the supplier side why give the info out to be copied when you have done all the development !

there is another company that sell a brace that fits between the block an liners maybe its that

 

As for giving Jamsport £1000, I wouldn't give them the time of day speaking from past experience!

 

Great minds!!!!

 

may be thicker liner fitted what liners are in the rs block do they have a problem ?

 

There is a thread on STOC going full swing but you have to be a paid up member to see it. I've been posting on it and speculation is rife as to what exactly JamSport do. There is another known alternative to their block mod by fitting Darton Liners. I've seen a website the supply and fit for £1400 inc VAT. JamSport's block mod is £850+VAT so it can't really be the Darton Liner mod. Whatever it is, they will not reveal anything.

As far as I am concerned, until they produce some sort of testing that they have done, with figures as to what limits they have tested engines to, then I will stay sceptical.

 

That was the thread i was talking about, the site is full of spastics

 

me neither!!

 

Would i pay for a mod that i cant see or not even sure is there.. No!

 

It happened on the previous thread JamSport put up earlier in the year also. I can see it from both views though, you are paying £1000 for what exactly? A block mod, something added to strengthen the block, magic liner fairies, who knows. On the other hand, I can see why JamSport are reluctant to publish detailed information but it is a bit difficult to sell something which hasn't got a proven track record, without some sort of physical testing or figures to show it was tested to such and such stress levels, for so many cycles, this is how much fatigue it suffered etc and no failure.

I for one am not interested in it at all as I will never be running silly power levels and have a small crumb of comfort in that I have a 2009 facelift which "apparently" shouldn't be affected so I don't want to piss on JamSport's parade

 

The ST block is essentially a volvo 850 block which has been around for years

All the volvo boys discovered the block weakness some 15 years ago

There are two options for block strengthening

Darton Sleeves / or similar liner replacement

Drill and insert alloy pegs around the top part of the liner to stop it flexing under load

I do have pictures on my home computor so will see if I can upload them later on

the 2.0 and 2.3 blocks are 71mm bore so are stronger due to thicker walls

Its the 2.4 and 2.5's that suffer the most issues as they are the same block just overbored

All Jamsport are doing is re-inventing the wheel

Nothing new / secret - Its just new to the Ford Scene

 

Forgive me if this is a silly question, but are you saying that a pre 2009 focus st can only really handle 300bhp max before liner movement occurs ?

 

In my opinion the only people in the country I'd use for a Darton Sleeve replacement would be Gossney's or Perfect Bore

 

This is something else that is a bit of a mystery but apparently facelift cars from 2008 on had revised/different blocks or there are some reports it is the same block as the RS. Personally, I haven't a clue if any of it is true or rubbish but mine will never run more than 300bhp (famous last words). There are PLENTY of cars pushing circa 300bhp and done so for many miles with no issues which FAR FAR outweigh the number who have suffered cracked liners. There was a dodgy batch run in 2007 at some point with cars that cracked liners even on standard engines.

 

+1 horror stories, ridiculous bills and used parts sold as new

 

Ooh, im viewing an 2007 St2 on Saturday, only covered 58k, and I was hoping to get mine to around the 300 mark

 

This is all new to me but had to comment.

So Jamsport want £850 plus vat to do something to your engine but they wont tell you what it is lol. Classic

 

Sounds like all the info is already out there

And I wouldn't give Jamsport a penny either

 

Yep. A few people on the STOC know what it is but they're full on clowns who spend all day nut hugging the tuners and won't say what it is.

 

Tell you what i will undercut jamsport i will do a block mod for £500 it will take me 3 mins to do you dont have to take your engine out you just have to close your eyes while i do it cause its a secret.

Any takers?

 

Quote from Jamsport.




After many people asking what the Block Mod entails, we have put together a brief outlay for you all.

Firstly we time the engine prior to removing the head, Once the head is removed we frstly check the head for any distortion and if required we would machine it.
We then prepare the block by cleaning all surfaces.
We then install our modification to the the block to prevent the weakness' in the liners, on completion of this, we then replace the head using a new head gasket and new head bolts.
We then torque down the head to the manufacturer's recommended settings.
We re-time the engine using manufacturer's timing tools.

Once this has been completed, we then run the car upto temperature, checking for any leaks, then the car is removed from the ramp to perform a road test.

The time for this modification is approx 10-12 hours, and can be performed in one day.

As for the exact details to what we do once the head is removed, you will have to excuse us not revealing the complete details in full. We have spent alot of time,money and engines developing this. So we do apoligise.

"It's a bit like the Colonel revealing his chicken recipe" not everything is given away

This modification has been performed on many ST's now, with cars running power from 300bhp upto 400 bhp, and we are confident we have found the solution to the cracked liner issue's that can accur.

If there are people wishing to take there cars even futher, then we do offer a alternative to the Darton liners, which is installed to our own demo RS, using a ST block and is currently running over 500bhp.

The price for the ST block mod is £850 + VAT.

 

Is there a guarantee?

What's to say it doesn't fail? Then the come back is that 'of course the mod cannot fail!, it must be something else'.

 

Depending on what plate it is on and what engine code I think it was some made on a 57 plate iirc.

Put it this way, Robbie's car (red DS modded ST) has been running 300+bhp for a long time now gone down the DS Turbo X route which is 330-350bhp and it hasn't gone boom and gets used on track and driven properly. As I said the number of cars that have actually suffered cracked liners are few and far between although since they will all converge on such forums, you will hear the stories of cracked liners being thrown around. IMO buy and enjoy.

 

no there not there a s40 or a c30r engine which are 25 mm shorter in hight an 65mm less in length , its a 9.1,1 comp racio rather than 8.5.1 on the volvo ! they might look the same but theres more differences but i cant be arsed to go into it but general idea is your pushing your luck above 350 bhp because the compression is to high but using darton liners witha lower comp forged piston kit then 500+bhp is easy but tbh mines 320 bhp 390lb an thats plenty on a road car being fwd

 

Ive been following Rob and his car and it does seem to be going very well, which out said problem.
If it is a good example of an st then I shall be buying mate, and will deffo be enjoying it

 

I would say 320 would be enough mate as well, plenty of torque as well

 

exactly brilliant cars

 

so much love for jam sport on this thread pmsl

 

Ditto. They made a hash of a mates RS Turbo and were superbly helpful when we were looking at Go-Tech right up until we purchased it then the knowledge and help dried up and all they were interested in was trying to sell us their stuff as apparently it was the only way to achieve the goal we were aiming for. Once they discovered we weren't going to be conned into parting with sums of money for kit we didn't need the correspondance dried up completely.

Anyone want to buy a new Go-Tech setup, never been fitted?

 

But jams port are in all the magazines and do wondeful stuff to the staff cars

It must be some disgruntled ex employee that is tarnishing their reputation surely as I can't believe that yet ANOTHER tuning company with big magazine presence is not all its cooked up to be

 

Only dealing's I've had with Jamsport was when I enquired about putting a 24v v6 scorpio motor in a sierra(only rang them cos TopBoss was too far for me). The guy on the phone had never heard of a 24v before and said he'd have to ask the boss and he'd call me back. Never called back. Got the feeling that they were just not interested because it was not an RS Turbo enquiry. As said above, they do create some stunning cars, and quick one's at that.

 

I've never used Jamsport.

But my mate has with his mk2 frs. It goes like stink and is reliable. And the one issue he had, which was not there fault. They fixed FOC

 

ALLWAYS thought jams port were a decent lot?

 

This is the dowel method (cheap option)



This is the proper way using Darton Sleeves

 

I think some people are missing the point.

How much to do a head gasket AT A GARAGE on a ST ???

Gotta be getting on for £500-£600 surely????

10 hours of labour at £50+vat an hour is £600 quid so it's obviously not an expensive modification in terms of actual materials....... still gotta take the head off though to do it.

Sounds like Jamsport aren't allowed to make a profit/make any money/charge what they want in todays day and age because someone on the internet doesn't like it.

I wonder how many people are running cosworth YB's with windage trays - how do you know? Have you checked they're there?

Or.... X Y or Z part thats fitted internally to an engine or so on......

The world wont be happy until no one earns a living and we all use our mates to fix our cars because it's cheaper and he read how to do it on the internet.

Honestly if you don't trust Jamsport or their mod don't have it done or go for the more expensive and dare I say it BETTER??? option for an extra £400....... sounds simple to me.

 

Is there a reason that they don't use the same method done to subaru open deck blocks? Basically metal sections are inserted right round the liners to make it closed deck?

 

True a five pot head gasket change ain't cheap! I ran 312 brake no problems and pulled like a train I a early block! They as differences in all the blocks and compressions. I heard Mazda either built some or developed some

 

I have dealt with jamsport numerous times and have found the service they provide excellent. They have worked wonders on our focus rs.