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Old May 17, 2011 | 01:55 PM
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Posted here rather than in the policies forum as Ive just tried replying to a thread in there and it wont let me, so please dont move this thread in there where it cant be replied to either.

I keep seeing threads about "why has my thread been deleted" when threads turn to arguing (MLR thread for example)

Do the moderators not realise that there is a room specifically for these type of threads?
Surely it would be better to just move threads rather than delete them, partly because then people feel they are getting something for thier gold membership and partly to cut down on admin time keep having to reply (well on the odd occasions you actually bother) and move the threads to the policies room etc (which it now appears normal users then cant even reply to anyway)

Just seems fucking stupid to have a specific room for argumental threads and then NEVER use it and always delete arguing threads instead?

What do others think? Would people prefer threads to be moved to the appropriate place rather than deleted?
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Old May 17, 2011 | 02:13 PM
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People make mistakes. Take this thread for instance... it should really be in the "moderation queries" room
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Old May 17, 2011 | 02:14 PM
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yep just move them
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If it's just a general bickering thread, then yes - but when it's a thread with personal insults, and the person in question has gone boo-hooing to teacher, then that's why they're deleted.

It's immaterial what room the thread is in if there's something in it that someone takes personal offence to.
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Old May 17, 2011 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DanW@FastFord
If it's just a general bickering thread, then yes - but when it's a thread with personal insults, and the person in question has gone boo-hooing to teacher, then that's why they're deleted.

It's immaterial what room the thread is in if there's something in it that someone takes personal offence to.
If a post in a thread crosses the line and needs to be deleted then the mods can do so and they also have infraction points they can give out to discourage it re-occurring, so I dont really see that a few comments that are out of order are a reason to bin the rest of the thread.
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Old May 17, 2011 | 02:39 PM
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...o I dont really see that a few comments that are out of order are a reason to bin the rest of the thread.
Nor do I, but it seems to be easier for Mods just to bin it off, as opposed to sifting through and 'tidying'.
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How many infraction points do you have at the moment chip ? lol
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nil point as they say in eurovision

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Questioning a moderators action could be violating the rules. lol

Expect this thread to go in the policy room too where only you can reply as thread starter and get no more posts from anyone else able to post......
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i got pm'd regarding that mlr thread

saying i was being abusive to a new member but god knows who as i only posted on someone elses thread about a personal experience i had with the 2 people who run the mlr

if they are on here then fair enough but other than that i have no clue

and i recieved 3 points

should i tell my insurance
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like this thread questions about how why passionford is run is put here .The threads start off with a question of why has this been removed or where has it gone so it is a policy issue ! insults will be remove completely and stupid rows and discussions that turn that way end up in missplaced dummy its always been that way as its common sense , otherwise its not fair to put people questions in a room full of stupidity
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Old May 17, 2011 | 05:28 PM
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Jay, you have now moved it to a place where others cannot comment, and my questions wasnt TO the mods, it was ABOUT the mods, I was asking other people for their opinions, and now you have moved it to somewhere that they cant give their opinions.
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i understan that you are asking wether or not its the right policy to move threads to other rooms ! so why did you post it in a car related room rather than where it should be in the policies room

it is not my fault that people are not goldmembers so they cant read this area , maybe you should ask internet brands to make it for none members
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sometimes it is easier to bin a thread than to waste time removing all the innane drivvel that is posted ...
knowing that it might be reposted once it is returned ..

sometimes it is correct to bin the thread where no cleaning up will make it any less of a mess...

sometimes they are cleaned and returned .. all depends if returning it is in the general benifit of the forums...

so many variations on what someone has added to a good thread that makes it pointless ....

so pick which one you want and apply intelligence to see if its worth doing anything with ...
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Evidently you dont actually know much about the room you chose to move this thread to if you think non gold members are my objection, they arent at all.

Gold members cant reply either Jay, so its not a case of internet brands allowing non gold members in, they dont even allow gold members to reply here.

This room the only people who can reply are the thread starter and the mods, and as you know the mods very very very rarely bother to have any input into discussion threads anyway, hence I asked in my original post for this thread NOT to be moved here.

And I did NOT start this thread in a car related room, so if you found it in one then a mod had already moved it.

I started it in the non car related chat room, as its non car related, its chat, and its not intended to engage the mods so isnt a policy discussion, its a discussion with the users of the site.

So it was started in the correct place, so can you please move it back there? As in this room none of the intended audience for the thread (the users of the site) are actually allowed to reply anymore since this room was altered to prevent users from having any input at all into policy discussions unless they were the person who started them.
(a change I assume you are unaware of until ive just told you now given your reply?)
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Evidently you dont actually know much about the room you chose to move this thread to if you think non gold members are my objection, they arent at all.

Gold members cant reply either Jay, so its not a case of internet brands allowing non gold members in, they dont even allow gold members to reply here.

This room the only people who can reply are the thread starter and the mods, and as you know the mods very very very rarely bother to have any input into discussion threads anyway, hence I asked in my original post for this thread NOT to be moved here.

And I did NOT start this thread in a car related room, so if you found it in one then a mod had already moved it.

I started it in the non car related chat room, as its non car related, its chat, and its not intended to engage the mods so isnt a policy discussion, its a discussion with the users of the site.

So it was started in the correct place, so can you please move it back there? As in this room none of the intended audience for the thread (the users of the site) are actually allowed to reply anymore since this room was altered to prevent users from having any input at all into policy discussions unless they were the person who started them.
(a change I assume you are unaware of until ive just told you now given your reply?)
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why would i move a thread to a none related policy room when the question is purely about pf policy about room use !

the only reason i can see you want to post such a subject of policy in a gd discusion room is to ensight trouble and rows ! are you ?


and you still havnt answered my question to this thread as why would the topics be in the dummy room anyway when they were questions on the policies of moving thread and mlr thread well read eagles post above
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I am not intending to be discussing PF policy in this thread, the policy is that mods can move threads to the spit the dummy room, the policy itself isnt the subject of this thread, the thread is just people discussing if they feel that policy is used correctly or not, not wether the policy itself should be changed.

As for not answering your question, the only question you asked was:
so why did you post it in a car related room rather than where it should be in the policies room
Which I have already answered by telling you that I did NOT start this thread in a car related room, I started it in the correct place, the non car related chat room.


The policies room is for discussing with moderators, so that isnt the correct place to be starting it, as I dont only want input from mods, so the non car related chat room is a more appropriate room to start it in as its the only one where others can reply and isnt a room dedicated to something specific.

So please move this thread back to the CORRECT room that it was started in to begin with.

If I wish to discuss a policy in a discussion limited to only replied by mods, then I will start it in the policy room, but that isnt the intention of this thread.
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Originally Posted by Chip
I am not intending to be discussing PF policy in this thread, the policy is that mods can move threads to the spit the dummy room, the policy itself isnt the subject of this thread, the thread is just people discussing if they feel that policy is used correctly or not, not wether the policy itself should be changed.

As for not answering your question, the only question you asked was:


Which I have already answered by telling you that I did NOT start this thread in a car related room, I started it in the correct place, the non car related chat room.


The policies room is for discussing with moderators, so that isnt the correct place to be starting it, as I dont only want input from mods, so the non car related chat room is a more appropriate room to start it in as its the only one where others can reply and isnt a room dedicated to something specific.

So please move this thread back to the CORRECT room that it was started in to begin with.

If I wish to discuss a policy in a discussion limited to only replied by mods, then I will start it in the policy room, but that isnt the intention of this thread.

you are talking rubish as you are qustionin policy on mods moving topic ! so i asked why should the topics asking why there threads were moved AGAIN related to policy so the threads were put in the policy room as this in the rules which mods follow

the dummy room is exactly that where people are argueing amongst there sevles to the point where it is stupidity

so no as far as the rules are concerned all this is policy and i wont put it back in the WRONG room just to please you

your thread has no depth because they were policy questions to why threads were move to the correct rooms and as said before the mlr thread was deemed usless for the board so removed

i have given you answers wether you like them or not it is correct if you cant grasp this then please feel free to contact ib and report it
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Jay, Im not questioning the policy, I am questioning wether people think mods use that policy enough, or if they feel mods use the other policy about deleting threads too much instead.

Much like when people might chat on here about wether the police spend too much time catching speeders and not enough time catching rapists, its not a legal discussion about what the policies for dealing with each should be, merely a CHAT about how others feel they deal with it.

You are taking it out of context, which is why you have moved it to the wrong room.
Like I said if I wanted to only discuss it with the mods I would have started it in a room where only mods can reply, that isnt my wish as thread starter though so will you please return it to the room that I started it in and which is also where it belongs.
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Originally Posted by Chip
Posted here rather than in the policies forum as Ive just tried replying to a thread in there and it wont let me, so please dont move this thread in there where it cant be replied to either.

I keep seeing threads about "why has my thread been deleted" when threads turn to arguing (MLR thread for example)

Do the moderators not realize that there is a room specifically for these type of threads?
Surely it would be better to just move threads rather than delete them, partly because then people feel they are getting something for their gold membership and partly to cut down on admin time keep having to reply (well on the odd occasions you actually bother) and move the threads to the policies room etc (which it now appears normal users then cant even reply to anyway)

Just seems fucking stupid to have a specific room for argumental threads and then NEVER use it and always delete arguing threads instead?

What do others think? Would people prefer threads to be moved to the appropriate place rather than deleted?
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Jay, I'm not questioning the policy, I am questioning wether people think mods use that policy enough, or if they feel mods use the other policy about deleting threads too much instead.

Much like when people might chat on here about wether the police spend too much time catching speeders and not enough time catching rapists, its not a legal discussion about what the policies for dealing with each should be, merely a CHAT about how others feel they deal with it.

You are taking it out of context, which is why you have moved it to the wrong room.
Like I said if I wanted to only discuss it with the mods I would have started it in a room where only mods can reply, that isn't my wish as thread starter though so will you please return it to the room that I started it in and which is also where it belongs.

well the mlr thread was about mlr policies and rules that turned to abuse insults and bandwagon jumping so deemed by ib as a removable thread as it served no purpose so that is the reason not a mods fault the other questions about the mlr thread where just that not a row so no purpose in the dummy room as Ive repeatedly said so what is your point ?
so stop instructing me to put a thread where it is not in its right place
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As a side point, based on your incorrect assumption this thread is to discuss policy, and the fact that this room is now mods only, it brings up another interesting point though.

Are you saying indirectly, that discussions about policies on passionford are now ONLY allowed to include input from mods, and that the views of gold members are now considered totally irrelevant and as such they are not allowed to reply to any other gold members discussions?

If so, that certainly seems like a massive slap in the face for the paying members who support the site with their hard earned cash if their opinions are now no longer valued, where as in the past they were allowed to join in such discussions.
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well the mlr thread was about mlr policies and rules
Indeed it was from what little I saw of it, although it wasnt about passionford policies and rules it was about MLR ones.

that turned to abuse insults and bandwagon jumping so deemed by ib as a removable thread as it served no purpose
That thread didnt serve no purpose, it served the purposes of entertaining people of allowing people a forum in which to discuss something they were interested in.
That might not be something IB want to be involved in, but it certainly wasnt completely without purpose like you claim it was

so that is the reason not a mods fault the other questions about the mlr thread where just that not a row so no purpose in the dummy room as Ive repeatedly said so what is your point ?
I wasnt talking specifically only about that thread, merely using it as one example.
There are lots of other threads that are deleted as well though, in fact if you go and look in the deleted threads room you will be able to see them and then you can realise that I am not only talking about the one thread that you seem to be obsessed with for some reason just cause I mentioned it as an example.

My point? I wasnt making a point, I was asking a question of other users, well I would be if I was allowed to be, but because you have failed to read the question properly, I am now apparently not allowed to ask anyone except for the mods, as it is deemed that only their opinion is acutally worth anything, and that gold members views are so insignificant im not even allowed to asked them what they are?

so stop instructing me to put a thread where it is not in its right place
I am asking you to put this thread which is asking for the opinions of other members (which isnt directed at just the mods despite you thinking it is for some reason) into a place where the people it is directed at are actually allowed to give their opinions, rather than in a room where their opinions are deemed not to count and only the mods are deemed to be worthy of an opinion.
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not at any time i have said this is direvted at moderators chip

IF a thread is put into policy room it is because it starts as a complaint about pf or use of wether it had imput or bandwagon jumping

a dummy thread is generally a topic started of genral discussion that goes wrong nut not deemed bad enough for deleting

any way like i said go and email ib with your complaint as the thread is staying in this room and your not happy about that so speak to them
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Originally Posted by Chip
Indeed it was from what little I saw of it, although it wasn't about passionford policies and rules it was about MLR ones.



That thread didn't serve no purpose, it served the purposes of entertaining people of allowing people a forum in which to discuss something they were interested in.
That might not be something IB want to be involved in, but it certainly wasn't completely without purpose like you claim it was



I wasn't talking specifically only about that thread, merely using it as one example.
There are lots of other threads that are deleted as well though, in fact if you go and look in the deleted threads room you will be able to see them and then you can realize that I am not only talking about the one thread that you seem to be obsessed with for some reason just cause I mentioned it as an example.

My point? I wasn't making a point, I was asking a question of other users, well I would be if I was allowed to be, but because you have failed to read the question properly, I am now apparently not allowed to ask anyone except for the mods, as it is deemed that only their opinion is actually worth anything, and that gold members views are so insignificant I'm not even allowed to asked them what they are?


I am asking you to put this thread which is asking for the opinions of other members (which isn't directed at just the mods despite you thinking it is for some reason) into a place where the people it is directed at are actually allowed to give their opinions, rather than in a room where their opinions are deemed not to count and only the mods are deemed to be worthy of an opinion.

so abuse members with insults is entertainment in your eye's

interesting maybe you need to find another forum that is more to your needs the chip
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You think that IB need to be involved just because you dont understand that this thread is for members to discuss something and that you have moved it to a room where they cant?

Ok, I will email them if you like, what email address should I send to then please Jay if that is how you feel it should be directed?


You appear to be saying that ANY complaint at all about PF, will automatically be moved to a room where paying members arent allowed to reply.
So effectively you are saying that members are totally banned from discussion PF with each other?
That seems a very totalitarian policy for a forum to feel that it needs TBH, and I hope your interpretation is incorrect as that would be a real shame for the site if it no longer allows its members to discuss the site with each other if one of them has a complaint they would like to talk to other members about as well rather than just mods.

Users often want to discuss a complain with other members to see if other members feel the same way too, so are you now saying that is absolutely point blank banned from happening on this website?
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so abuse members with insults is entertainment in your eye's
I had only read the first page of that thread, and the first page contained no insults directed at any other member of this site that I saw, if the rest of it did then I cant comment on if it was entertaining or not as I hadnt seen it.

interesting maybe you need to find another forum that is more to your needs the chip
I dont wish to go and find another forum, I would prefer to do my bit to encourage healthy discussion to allow us to all enjoy this forum as much as possible instead TBH as I like this forum, although I do feel that perhaps sometimes the mods have a poor attitude towards the membership, as demonstrated there TBH by you and your "if you dont like it fuck off" attitude rather than having an "if you dont like it maybe we can all work together to help each other enjoy it more" attitude which I personally feel is a better line for moderators to take.
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are you saying its my fault that ib see it that problem questions directed on how pf is run should cant be replied to by anyone that are just a 3rd party ?

http://www.internetbrands.com/ib/contact

goodnight mate ive said all thats needed there isno need to carry on nit picking imo so please contact ib
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No, im saying its your fault that you have misinterpreted this thread as for the attention of the mods only when it isnt.

Ok will just start another thread if wont move this one, no problem.
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No, im saying its your fault that you have misinterpreted this thread as for the attention of the mods only when it isnt.

Ok will just start another thread if wont move this one, no problem.
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None of the contacts on that page are appropriate for a query about PF moderator's ability to understand a thread TBH mate, I think you must have pasted in the wrong link.

Maybe the address should be wetakeyourmoneyandtellyoutofuckoff@internetbrands. com or similar?
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Originally Posted by Chip
I had only read the first page of that thread, and the first page contained no insults directed at any other member of this site that I saw, if the rest of it did then I cant comment on if it was entertaining or not as I hadnt seen it.



I dont wish to go and find another forum, I would prefer to do my bit to encourage healthy discussion to allow us to all enjoy this forum as much as possible instead TBH as I like this forum, although I do feel that perhaps sometimes the mods have a poor attitude towards the membership, as demonstrated there TBH by you and your "if you dont like it fuck off" attitude rather than having an "if you dont like it maybe we can all work together to help each other enjoy it more" attitude which I personally feel is a better line for moderators to take.
right last reply as my family life is due some attention tonight

not once have a told you to fuck off and i dont see that your blinkered view as its your opion so it is right even tho the rules state otherwise working together and just to add i think there are a massivly greater part of member that would say i have a good attitude towards them and the board ! possible maybe 4 complaints in 7 years of moderating stu will correct me if im wrong on this and the rest of the moderators have the same thing very little complaint in all there time so like i say ib is your next stop my man




Originally Posted by Chip
No, im saying its your fault that you have misinterpreted this thread as for the attention of the mods only when it isnt.

Ok will just start another thread if wont move this one, no problem.
no i havnt misinterpreted the thread at all chip as you full well know

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Originally Posted by Chip
None of the contacts on that page are appropriate for a query about PF moderator's ability to understand a thread TBH mate, I think you must have pasted in the wrong link.

Maybe the address should be wetakeyourmoneyandtellyoutofuckoff@internetbrands. com or similar?
lol ill look for another point of contact
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you have questioned the use of what rooms that threads are moved to ..

that in itself questions the policy of the site .. no matter how badly you wanted everyone else to jump in and start questioning the moderation policy of the site or ask the opinions of the users you have created a thread that in itself was obviously going to get moved to the correct room because its about the policy of the site ...

my god are you really that bored tonight chip ?
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Old May 17, 2011 | 08:31 PM
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I havent made any sort of formal complaint, you must have mistaken me for someone else
Like most users I realise that any complaint would just get ignored no doubt anyway like all the problem reports about site errors and mobile errors do

I have merely asked questions and requested for the thread to be moved back to the correct place that it was started in to begin with.
This thread wasnt a complaint thread about any specific moderator, it was a thread for users to discuss is they felt the spit your dummy forum resource was underused.
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Old May 17, 2011 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
I have merely asked questions and requested for the thread to be moved back to the correct place that it was started in to begin with.
This thread wasnt a complaint thread about any specific moderator, it was a thread for users to discuss is they felt the spit your dummy forum resource was underused.

which is a question about site policy ....
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Old May 17, 2011 | 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Eagle
you have questioned the use of what rooms that threads are moved to ..

that in itself questions the policy of the site ..

No thats not about site policy at all, its about peoples opinions of moderator awareness of other rooms besides the general chat room and the "sweep it under the carpet room"

The clue is in the title of this thread if you look hard enough
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Old May 17, 2011 | 08:42 PM
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i looked ... and its

do the mods not realise there is a spat your dummy room ....

so .. questioning the fact there is an issue with how the mods are doing the thread moving .. that means its a site policy issue ...
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Old May 17, 2011 | 08:48 PM
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no i havnt misinterpreted the thread at all chip as you full well know
Yes you have.

The purpose of the thread:
Collect gold members (well and others, although its the gold members that interest me more TBH) opinions on wether or not the mods underuse one of the rooms that we pay for access to as part of our gold membership


If you feel that the thread has any purpose other than collection of those opinons of other gold members, such as attempting to discuss site policy with the mods or similar, then yes categorically you have definately misinterpreted the thread.



That misinterpretation will be down to one of several possible options I guess:

Possibly that you are as thick as pigshit and have been unable to read the thread properly

I have failed at putting across my question correctly

You cant actually be arsed to even try and understand what is written and just think its easier to sweep everything into the "under the carpet" room where no one can reply

Other



So how do you move forward from here to allow you to gain the correct interpreation of the thread?

Well if you feel its the first option, then when you are looking up email addresses for me to contact, include an adult learning insitution for yourself in your searches too seems like one option

If you feel its the second option, then that is a failing on my part so please let me know and I will post the question again and attempt to word it in a manner which is more idiot proof

If you feel it is the third option, then obviously you wont want to do anything to improve the situation as that would require effort

If you feel its something that I havent thought of which is instead the reason you have misinterpreted it, then feel free to make a suggestion as to what it might be instead
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Old May 17, 2011 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Eagle
i looked ... and its

do the mods not realise there is a spat your dummy room ....

so .. questioning the fact there is an issue with how the mods are doing the thread moving .. that means its a site policy issue ...
No, wether or not the mods realise that there is a room isnt a matter of site policy.
No is the users opinion of if they would like to see more threads in it TBH

As I said, there are already 2 site policies for moderators:
Move a thread to spit your dummy
Delete a thread

Those policies already exist, and im not suggesting a change to either, was merely interested in peoples opinions of which they happened to prefer as an option.

In much the same way that I might ask "pink or brown" when asking where people like to go next after putting a red when playing snooker, I wouldnt be discussing if the rules of snooker needed to change, merely asking what people prefer to do within the confines of the already existing rules.
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