Is there anything you can do apart from take it all apart to clean out the inlet manifold, etc.

I took it off earlier to replace the oil cooler thermostat and noticed there is quite a bit of crap inside it and the ports but you would expect that with 142k engine.

Is it best to just leave well alone or can you run anything throught it or take it all apart and clean it out?

I do occasionally put redex into it but i know that wont help the manifold etc as its obv injected directly into the cylinders.

It is a 2.0 mondeo TDDI engine.

I would hate to see the inside of the intercooler

 

We cleaned out ours by hand ,long screw driver etc ,did the stat cure your problem ,do you have the finis for the tddi one

 

I think it's same part no 1128018

It didn't cure my problem so I'm going to replace the motorfactors on with the genuine one

When doing the tddi if you remove the manifold and also the big water hose and injector pump plug you can get your hand in under it so you can access the bolt quite easily.

 

i would say your egr valve is playing up with your inlet looking like that and the intercooler would be worse i thnk you may be able to get rid of the egr valve i know you can on discoverys and it gives you better performance and diesel consumption

 

you need an EGR blanking plate

 

Where can i get this and do you just block one end of it or what?

thanks

 

Mate just leave it i work in the dealers and we never clean them out because there is no need to and its designed to work like that as shit as its sounds. looks like you have some sort of sealer on the inlet ports and its not ment to should have rubber gaskits.

lee

 

So does the amount of sh1t in the ports look normal? There was a small amount of stuff in the pipe but no runny oil if that makes sense

Yeah it had the rubber gaskets on the manifold. In the picture its just a ring of sh1t lol i cleaned that off before refitting the manifold.

 

Egr will be ok. if you take any mondeo or transit inlet off there will be like that and the lntercooler is before the egr so wont be like the inlet mate. mite have abit of oil in it.

 

So you never clean out inlet manifolds or EGR valves? Or do you mean the ports? If it's the former, then that's shocking!!!

 

If the shit is not to runny and is just like tar then yes its ok ive see them with just 60k on them and they are realy bad but it works fine.
yours looks ok for the pics.

lee

 

Cheers

Thats what i like to hear with 142k on it

 

Why would you need to mate if it wasnt ment to run like that then it would be part of the service or ford wouldnt have desiged it like that. the dealer i work at now (ford) ive worked there for 5 years now and never had any faults with them.

lee

 

Seriously??!!

It does a diesel no good whatsoever to have the inlet clogged up with oily sludge! It's not in the service schedule as it means Ford can charge for new EGR valves.

They're not meant to run like it, and I think it's bizarre that you think so.

Ford designed the EGR system the way they did to control emissions - the fact that it greatly affects reliability, performance, fuel economy and reliability isn't their concern.

It's a well known fact that cleaning out your EGR and inlet increases performance and fuel economy. There are countless posts and threads on Mondeo forums about it. Maybe Ford should have a read of them!!

 

I have to agree with Dan

John

 

Am not saying the engines wont run better if you clean them out because i know it will but ford would'nt have design there engines so they or anyone would have to take it apart to clean it out to keep them running. dont get me wrong i thing its a bad also but thats how they made them. if you where to blank the egr off and clean the ports out then you would need to reprogramme the pcm to control the emissions. if you leave them it will run fine

 

Ford don't really give a shit about a car once it's left their dealerships (no car manufactuters do) They designed the inlet so it served a function and met with regulations. It DOES need cleaning out fairly regularly to work efficiently and effectively.

You don't need to do anything on TDDI or TDCI Euro 3 engines, and I thought you'd know that. They adjust themselves, and run better with the valve blanked off - or in my case removed completely.

Euro 4 engines need the PCM adjusting but only to stop the EML from coming on!

 

agree with dan, the EGR valve is not needed, and nothing but trouble. its the same with the V6 2.5. i cleaned my inlet manifold out, and it was a mess, took me two full cans of degreaser, and it still wasnt perfect. after re fitting it, it was like a different car. it ticked over better, was smoother to drive, and went a LOT better. blocking of the EGR valve is a good move IMHO. for what it achieves, against the problems it causes, there a waste of time, and do more harm than good.

 

There's an article all about EGRs in the next issue of Fast Ford funnily enough! Is very enlightening.

 

Yes you are probley right ford mite not give a shit but they do have to work or ford would get load of warranty repairs and after awile have know one would buying there cars because they have to pay to get there inlet ports cleaned out when servicing there car and i would'nt like to pay for that job at a dealers.
As for the euro engines if the pcm adjusts why would they bother puting a egr on. also when i went on a ford courses why would they tell me that if you blocked the egr off the pcm will adjust its self, ford need them on they dont do all that work and then say its ok to blank them off because the pcm will adjust its self.
At the end of the day mate yes it will run better but unless you like messing about with things that dont need doing then why do it i have a mondeo tdci 130 and i have'nt ceaned mine out because it runs fine and i have no problems with it so why touch it.
Also i came on there to help the lad so why go on i dont own ford just work there so why try to make me out to be bad it what i do, if i do a job i alway do the best i can because i respect people car/vans and also take pride in my work, i dont take inlets off and clean them out because they dont tell me to and if i just did it a 2 hour service that the custmer has pay for would take alot longer.

lee

 

what yous all on about agree with dan i didnt say he was wrong. any engine will run better with out all that shit in it but if its not broke no need to touch it. Was just trying to help the lad.
Think Dan was just wanting me to look like a dick by the looks of things.

lee

 

I'm not trying to make you out to be a bad mechanic - I'm just pointing out what hundreds of Mondeo owners have discovered - that if you clean out your inlet/EGR the car will run better, and have better mpg.

Ford don't trouble themselves with it because by the time the issues arise, the cars are out of warranty. Go on to talkford.com, type in EGR and see how many people have problems with it.

I'm not surprised that they didn't tell you anything on your courses - I've spoken to four different Ford dealerships to try and get my car correctly diagnosed and not one of them has a clue. One guy tried to tell me that you can't drive a TDCI without an EGR, even though I have been doing so for the last 4 thousand miles.

You came on here to offer someone some advice, as did I - it's just that your advice is different to mine. We can let the OP decide whether to leave it alone, or clean it out.

 

Not at all, and I'm sorry if it came across like that. I was just surprised that someone in your line of work would think that it was meant to run all gummed up!

If you leave it it WILL lessen your performance, MPG and eventually break the EGR, which as you know can lead to all kinds of running problems.

 

Dan i really want a egr bypass like yours with the boost guage take off but cant find 1 anywhere mate..do you have a contact for where/who made yours mate.

 

It's a 'Wingspeed' one, but I think it's a one man band who just knocks them up in his spare time. I've known about them for ages, but couldn't find one anywhere. I just kept searching on eBay every week until one turned up. You can set an 'alert' on eBay to let you know when/if one comes up.

Googling 'Wingspeed EGR Bypass' brings up this email address - d.lyon33@hotmail.co.uk could be worth a shot - the guy's name is Dave.

 

Fair enuf mate, I know its a bad idea and i also know it will run better and if the lad wants to get alittle more mpg and power then go ahead but like my car and meny others the cars do run ok i know theres alot that dont but you find that in meny cars.
also mate if you have to phone the deals then dont talk to the reception or the manager ask for the marster tec.

lee

 

Dan your a star mate...ill do my best to track this guy down.

 

if you were any sort of mechanic you would have said while you have the inlet off it aint going to hurt to clean out as much as you can while you can

and as for egr's
if you potter around you will coke up the inlet's the valves then they will not close properly causeing missfireing and the engine to run like a bag of shite
i worked for mitzi and the gdi engines had a light that showed when you are driving around in eco mode witch ment the egr was open

pepole drove them with the light on so much thinking they were saving money that they choked up and required the head to be taken off and cleaned up costing them more than they saved in fuel

with an egr engine you need to stop cokeing up by giving the car a good blast every now and then to clear out the shite

 

egrs can be a right pain n the arse at time i changed one on a zafira diesel and that came in at over 400 back on topic though if i had the inlet off and saw that id be inclined to give that a clean uo just for peace of mind and its gotta give better flow clean so in my mimd is worth it if youve already got it stripped

 

http://www.loctite.co.uk/cps/rde/xch...ID=1000000J2D3

works a treat best product we've found for cleaning carbon and sludge from diesel inlets

 

If i was any sort of mechanic sorry mate but do you know anything about me or anything about my job i could give a shit where you work or what shit you come out. How about you read the thread and if you have any thing to add then but it in and dont come on here to say shit about people you dont know.

 

First thing I did when bought my foci was blank my egr and the car drives loads better for it.
All they do is shit up the inlet and cause problems. I'd take my inlet off and clean it if it wasn't such a shit job to do

 

I've spoken to regular mechanics, and to Master Techs, no one has been any use whatsoever. One dealership told me not to bother bringing the car in, as they'd only check what I'd already checked.

See what your Master Tech says -

Loads and lots of diesel smelling smoke on startup - the colder it is the worse it is. Starts on the button, but chugs out load of smoke and it's very lumpy and difficult to rev until I drive off, then it's fine.

So far I've tried/replaced various things including -
4x new injectors, 2x new glo plugs, fuel pump's only 2 years old, no EGR, low mileage car (83k), a cold compression test was normal, no boost leaks, turbo recently refurbed... the list goes on.

 

as i said above, there a waste of time. i had a MK3 V6 ZS, exactally the same engine thats in the MK2 V6, but has different management, and NO EGR valve. so ford themselves removed the EGR valve in the MK3 V6 as it causes more problems than anything else. they just made changes to the management to reduce the emissions.

 

Cant believe they would be like that but then again you will get some dicks.
would be better if we could see the car realy. Have you the pcm update and checked the injector codes are in the right order. I would have thought you would have check the egr to see if its sticking when you cleaned it out. also have you had the timming cover off to check the timming, i know the car runs ok when you get it running but can cause bad starting when hot and cold. like ive said would be better to see the car. Is this the mondeo in the mag because i thought it was fix now

 

got the v6 with egr it is worth cleaning all that skuzz out as for the egr it was installed to quence i think nox gas in cruse mode thats all

 

The main 'issue' which was huge lack of performance was cured by 4 new injectors so it is 'fixed'. But the smoke on start-up remains. The injectors were fitted by Delphi themselves, so I'm pretty sure that they are coded correctly. It's not had the latest PCM update, but that wouldn't fix smoke on start-up - plus I object to paying for a software update to fix problem with Ford's map. They should do it for free! You wouldn't get a computer manufacturer charging for an update, and it's no different.

It's not got an EGR, so that's not at fault.

It starts on the button every time and drives fine, so I see no reason why the timing should be out. It's mint when it's warm/hot.

It's nothing obvious, I've tried all that. I just wish someone had a clue what could be causing it!

 

egrs are a pain in my ass im constantley dealing with problems with them as i work on every marque of car and am not limited to one brand like most people who work at the dealers
i am always blanking them off as it makes a massive performance benefit to the car
someone said above "if they dont need them then why would they fit them" ill tell you why, because the e.u wants us to have stupidly low emissions so manufacturers are forced to fit them because it helps lower a vehicles emmisions to allow them to pass legislation, just a shame that after a few thousand miles they begin to shit up the manifolds.
also after removal i am yet to see one vehicle that will fail an emmisions test without it fitted so i wouldnt let that worry me.
and as for the lad saying he wouldnt clean that manifold if it came into his work, all i can say is if i had removed that at my work and saw that shit in it i would not refit until it was all gone that is doing the job proper and having pride in your work! guess thats just another reason not to take the cars to the main stealers as im yet to come across one that a, does the job properly and b, has anyone working for them that actually knows what they are doing without reffering to a manual lol!
and yes i have worked at a main stealer, two in fact i left both as i was embarresed to be associated with the poor quality of work being done

 

do you get any diesel knock when you start it?

 

Some, yes. But no more than I'd expect from a cold diesel engine. It does it for a few seconds at most.