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Old Nov 17, 2010 | 11:18 PM
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Bit of an impromptu survey.

Have a look on the ingredients in the food you give your pet, and see if it says "digest" on there if you get a minute and reply please and mention what the petfood was and if its a cheap or expensive brand.
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Old Nov 17, 2010 | 11:31 PM
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Dr John's Gold..

http://www.gilpa.co.uk/product.php?shopprodid=6

Thats what it says online, haven't got the bag to hand as it's in the bin.
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Old Nov 17, 2010 | 11:39 PM
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Pretty vague on the ingredients there, just says "animal derivatives"
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Old Nov 17, 2010 | 11:47 PM
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This is what Bailey gets, he's 7 years old: http://shop.burnspet.com/Products/CAT_01

This is what Murphy gets, he's 5 months old: http://shop.burnspet.com/Products/CAT_15


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Old Nov 17, 2010 | 11:50 PM
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Interesting its mainly Rice RS Grant, not what I would have expected!
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Old Nov 17, 2010 | 11:53 PM
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Yup, was recommended to us by the vet because the stuff we used with Bailey first (IIRC James Wellbeloved sp?) didn't agree with him.. he's been spot on with the Burns stuff and is in fantastic shape, so when we got Murph we just continued to use Burns for his puppy food and he'll progress onto the adult stuff when the time comes.


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Old Nov 17, 2010 | 11:59 PM
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Well sounds like the Vet certainly worked out it was the food causing the problems then, nice to hear.
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 01:32 AM
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My English Bull is on a mixed diet of Rice, Chicken and Liver.
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 06:15 AM
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My 9 month old Rotty pup gets this

http://www.royalcanin.co.uk/my_pet/d...nt_junior.aspx

We get it for Ł42 for a 20kg bag from the breeder.
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 07:21 AM
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most_99.9% of canned dog food is full of shit-go
complete food ,leave the tins out, but saying that immigrants to the uk in the sixties who didnt read and write( who also introduced us to smallpox)-spike milligan played one till the series got banned after 2 episodes-LOL) bought it by the shed load to EAT-----------this is true and factual.( i wouldnt be suprised if its still sold to this day for the same reason ).
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 09:31 AM
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This is what my cocker spaniel gets. recommended by the vet and breeder.

http://www.pet-supermarket.co.uk/pro...5kg_CA0099.htm
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 11:39 AM
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my bulldog is on royal canin, been recommended to put him on chudleys classic?
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 11:42 AM
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She only eats the top 3 on here, the chicken varieties

http://www.encorecatfood.co.uk/flavo...ml#chicken_ham
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 11:42 AM
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i much preffer winners. tastes lovely!
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 11:43 AM
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Chip, are you thinking of going onto some kind of wierd diet?
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 11:46 AM
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"Quite simply, most dried pet foods would have a low palatability without the use of flavourings - that is, your pet wouldn't eat them quite as enthusiastically. Digest is a flavouring or palatability enhancer which is often sprayed onto the kibble in small amounts to make the food more appetizing. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with it as an ingredient, and as long as the rest of the ingredients together make a complete and nutritious food then it can be thought of as spraying on a little bit of gravy."

Nowt wrong with a bit of gravy

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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 12:45 PM
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Depends if what they are spraying on is basically manure.
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 12:54 PM
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Current food fo my three changed just recently.

Ingredients
Salmon 30.5%, Potato 30.5%, Herring Meal 21.4%, Salmon Oil 7.6%, Beet Fibre 6.4%, Brewers Yeast 2.1%, Minerals 0.8%, Vitamins 0.7%


Nutritional Analysis
Protein 26%, Oil 12%, Ash 9%, Fibre 2.5%, Vitamin A 15,000 iu/kg, Vitamin D3 1,500 iu/kg, Vitamin E 125 iu/kg, Copper 18 mg/kg
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 12:56 PM
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Feeding stuff like bakers and caned stuff is like us eating takeaways everyday really bad for the dogs.
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 01:02 PM
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Wagg complete (worker), cheap at Ł10 for 17 kg (think it was on offer) for my collie, no mention of digest anywhere on the bag.

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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 03:08 PM
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I used to feed my lab on bakers and a few other dry foods and he seemed hyperactive all the time etc and I had a word with the vet and he said bakers was full of e numbers and colours etc and said it wasnt really good for him so had a work with a few lad who go shooying and i know feed him arkwrights complete and he loves it, his coat is the best its ever been and he's really happy with it and much more settled now and very switched on and focused when we go out walking or shooting rather than all over the place like he was before.
http://www.gilpa.co.uk/product.php?shopprodid=22

I get it from my local farm supplier for Ł6 a bag for 15kg. dont get him chicken though as labs suffer with flatulence anyway and the chicken one made him smell rancid lol. i give him the beef one
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 03:12 PM
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Gerty guinea pig food doesnt say "digest" anywhere in ingredients
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 03:23 PM
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Wainwright's turkey and rice

Turkey Meat Meal (min. 20%), Rice (min. 20%), Whole Grain Barley (min. 8%), Potato Protein, Refined Poultry Oil, Whole Linseed (min. 4%), Sugar Beet Pulp (min. 4%), Low Allergen Poultry Digest as Gravy, Alfalfa, Monosodium Phosphate (min. 0.8%), Natural Seawood (min. 0.5%), Sodium Chloride, Potassium Chloride, Methionine, Molluscs and Crustaceans (as a source of Glucosamine HCI), Chondroitin, Marigold Extract, Yucca Extract, L-Carnitine, Rosemary Extract.

Typical Analysis:

Moisture 8%, Protein 28.5%, Oils and Fats 18%, Fibre 3.5%, Ash 6.5%, Calcium 1.1%, Phosphorus 0.8%, Vitamin A 12000iu/kg, Vitamin D3 1200iu/kg, Vitamin E (a-tocopherol), 600iu/kg, Copper (Cupric Sulphate) 12mg/kg. Contains Tocopherol rich extracts of natural origin. Vitamin E and C as EC permitted antioxidant. No added colourants, flavourings or preservatives. Vitamin declaration is valid until best before date printed With batch number on back of pack.
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my old mongrol had a diet of whatever cheap canned stuff was on offer and usual mixer dried food he lived until 16 years old and was healthy/active all his life until his back legs finally gave out.
this was 20 years ago and all dogs were fed the same

current dog gets fed on james well beloved dried food with some wet tinned just to add some flavour and is very healthy, stupid thing eats anything though apart from broccoli
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I remember when i was young boy our dogs had what we left over, never had dog food in their life and they all lived a long healthy life
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My cat lives on the Science Plan biscuits, tuna, and Birds Eye Simply haddock/cod!! She won't eat 'ordinary' cat food...
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I have a working dog...(English pointer)...And i feed her wagg..She`s full of energy and healthy.
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
Bit of an impromptu survey.

Have a look on the ingredients in the food you give your pet, and see if it says "digest" on there if you get a minute and reply please and mention what the petfood was and if its a cheap or expensive brand.
How comes you ask? what have you discovered? please tell as i have a dog and am now concerned.
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 07:11 PM
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Purina Beta, no mention of digest.

Dogs going berserk now as he thinks he's getting fed again as I pulled his food out.
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 07:16 PM
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my lab eats leftovers given the chance or james wellbeloved as its propper dinner with a fork or 2 of winalot just to taste

she was mental on science plan

but shes pretty mental anyway

i chose this pic cos the others i had the missus take had my cock showing, shudnt sit here naked really but you can think on it
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 07:18 PM
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strangely when i take her across the fields the only thing she will carry is sugar beet
its in her food too
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 07:45 PM
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My cairns have mostly Nature's Harvest/Nature Diet/Wainwrights meat or tuna, and Bakers meaty meals/James Wellbeloved to nibble on after. None of them have digest in (never heard of it).
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 08:17 PM
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Well, if we turn to AAFCO in the US we find this definition:

'Animal digest - A material which results from chemical and/or enzymatic hydrolysis of clean and undecomposed animal tissue. The animal tissues used shall be exclusive of hair, horns, teeth, hooves and feathers, except in such trace amounts as might occur unavoidably in good factory practice and shall be suitable for animal feed. If it bears a name descriptive of its kind or flavor, it must correspond thereto.'


What is it used for?

Quite simply, most dried pet foods would have a low palatability without the use of flavourings - that is, your pet wouldn't eat them quite as enthusiastically. Digest is a flavouring or palatability enhancer which is often sprayed onto the kibble in small amounts to make the food more appetizing. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with it as an ingredient, and as long as the rest of the ingredients together make a complete and nutritious food then it can be thought of as spraying on a little bit of gravy.

The only arguement, from the standpoint of feeding a natural diet is whether the manufacturing process to create the digest (chemical or enzymatic hydrolysis) can be considered 'natural'... and if a manufacturer is wary of including digest in their ingredient declaration, even though they use it (Burns is a case in point), what does that say about their confidence in answering this question?




so its basically what they put in sausage rolls and spam
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 1.9 xr2 on 40's
Well, if we turn to AAFCO in the US we find this definition:

'Animal digest - A material which results from chemical and/or enzymatic hydrolysis of clean and undecomposed animal tissue. The animal tissues used shall be exclusive of hair, horns, teeth, hooves and feathers, except in such trace amounts as might occur unavoidably in good factory practice and shall be suitable for animal feed. If it bears a name descriptive of its kind or flavor, it must correspond thereto.'


What is it used for?

Quite simply, most dried pet foods would have a low palatability without the use of flavourings - that is, your pet wouldn't eat them quite as enthusiastically. Digest is a flavouring or palatability enhancer which is often sprayed onto the kibble in small amounts to make the food more appetizing. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with it as an ingredient, and as long as the rest of the ingredients together make a complete and nutritious food then it can be thought of as spraying on a little bit of gravy.

The only arguement, from the standpoint of feeding a natural diet is whether the manufacturing process to create the digest (chemical or enzymatic hydrolysis) can be considered 'natural'... and if a manufacturer is wary of including digest in their ingredient declaration, even though they use it (Burns is a case in point), what does that say about their confidence in answering this question?




so its basically what they put in sausage rolls and spam
Same bit as I got my quote from but I chose to only use a bit of it

Was hoping Chip would then reveal what it actually was he had found out about it

Steve
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 10:23 PM
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our cats get wiskas tins. not the supermeat tho as they fucking reeeek!

tried science plan, but one of the cat keeps getting cystitis (sp) from it as no moisture, and she doesnt drink much...

i much prefer the dry stuff as they make a lot less mess!
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Our mongrel always got what ever was left over from the dinner table and lived healthily for 16 years...
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My dogs eat a complete biscuit mix. Comes in a 15kg bag and is 7 odd quid.
My male staff Frank has tuna in sunflower oil with his every now and again and I decided to weigh him earlier and he weigh's in at 25kg. Average weight for a staff is suppose to be between 11 and 17kg.
And at the minute crystal my bitch staff is on biscuits with puppy meat as she's just had a litter of pups.
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my bullmastiff just eats wasps and he wont stop!
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