i commented on a friend of mines status on facebook as he was saying he wanted to change his engine as his was to underpowered so my reply went as--

big power an FWD aint that good unless you spend loads on gettin the power down. RWD or 4X4 is the way to go E.G- COSWORTH! lol

to which i had a reply of--

My mates got a b18c GSR turbo integra engined honda civic runnin 350+ fwd and it very rarely spins even when he boots it in first and all the way through the gears even with anti lag......People sayin you cant put power down in fwd cars obviously havnt tried and are just listenin to old wives tales

which pissed me off a bit so i replied--

Old wives tales?? its all good an well going in a straight line wat about corners? an id like to see a car with that power hardly spin. An like I sed you need spend money on gettin it down. Like tires diff's suspension set up loads of different things. If front wheel was so good an all I'm saying is wives tales why are most performance cars 4wd or rwd?

another reply of

Corners it still grips, granted he has an LSD but not an overly expensive one, traction bars which were made by himeself that prob cost around £20 to make and has tannabe shocks and springs. I'm pretty sure he'd take most things around silverstone as I've seen him do it and a cosworth wouldn't even be a challenge lol. Yeah most performance cars are RWD or 4WD but just because it's massly produced doesn't mean its right.

do you think like me he's just waffling?? as uaual MY MATES CAR......
it wound me up a bit with wat he said.. could just be me over reacting but grrrr some people can wind you up easy these days!

ok rant over back to calm now...

 

thats just stupid. ask him for a contact as you would love to know more and see this car, or any pictures? lol

 

still going..

a standard cosworth may not be but if a similar amount of money spent on one would defiantly be able to hold its own as years of motorsport have shown cosworth is a very dominant figure an even being an old car/engine now compared to you mates civic there very good engines an highly tunable aslong as your pockets allow again id like to see the civic hardly spin an beat a similar amount of money spend on cosworth. my opinion of driving cosworth in the past tho. so your sayin all he top car builders ferrari,audi,bmw,aston martin,tvr,caterham are wrong?

him-I'm not sayin their worng I'm saying that people and big car manufactures underestimate FWD with a bit of money and knowledge they can put power down and a lot of it.....go on youtube and look for the 800-1000bhp FWD civics that hardly spin with no T/C. Not a big fan of any kind of ford new or old so your preaching to the wrong crowd.

me-Again you say a bit of money an knowledge? Millions of pounds an some of the best engineers in the world design performance cars so if fwd was a good viable an safe option for the road they would have thought of it surely. Dont get me wrong I prefer fwd as I know if I had powerful rwd car I'd be dead but you can't deny the fact either 4x4 or rwd is a better option over fwd. The masses can't be that wrong.

this could go on for a while...

 

Tell him he should post the designs to some of the F1 teams

 

lol good thinking i'll have to suggest it to him an by the way in other comments he sed he drives a 125.6bhp 106 xsi so kinda sums it up he went wrong at the start! French yuk...

 

Never argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience

 

why arent the likes of focus rs and the renault stuff that quick to 60 but they are quick when in midrange and above ? You simply cant get the power down initially in fwd. He sounds like a dreamer IMHO is he a mate of unbelievablespeed the lad who thought his standard saxo vtr could do 0-60 in 6 secs?

 

Find that guy with the 9sec fiesta, 500odd bhp iirc, and he had to re-disign most of the car and chassis for it to grip. And it has silly wide drag slicks. It still spins a bit...

He's obviously chatting crap, 350bhp+fwd=wheelspin, unless a silly amound has been spent improving the chassis.

 

Take a look at front of new focus rs or renault clio thing and you'll c how much design went into the suspension to contain the power. just bash him with a brick before he breeds

 

So thats why Neil always wins in arguements with me

 

IMO, everyone who bangs on about FWD is shit, really needs to drive a proper handling FWD car. I can guarantee you that a modern, well handling FWD car with similar power will run rings round a 20 year old cosworth.

Of course when you are running big power they can be more difficult to get off the line than a RWD car. Just down to driving skill at the end of the day. My FWD ST is getting on for 300bhp now and not once have I struggled to get it off the line quickly in the dry. Go easy on the throttle in 1st, then nail it in 2nd, hint of scrabble from the front tyres as it comes on boost but then your off!

Look at Porkie on here for example, The bloke tools round in a Ferrari and wipes his bum with £20s, yet what does he have for his track car? A Renault Clio, a proper handling FWD car!

 

Best person to ask is rickylee, hes done a few integra's which are 350bhp +

 

You've attempted to take the piss out of the OP, and then, in the next paragraph pretty much agreed with him If you boot it in first, it'll spin, yes?

 

No, my first opinion was regarding to handling, i.e. on a track, I then went on to talk about in a straight line.... Sorry if it wasn't made clear!

 

the argument was about grip not handling

 

wat i was getting at is its hard to get all the power to the road if you dont uprate the gearbox,suspension,tires an so on but that guy was saying hardly any wheel spin from 350bhp an anti lag an booting it so i'd like to see that happen before i took it as the truth.

 

Maybe his 350 bhp was billy bullshit, or very small horses, think he's getting mixed up with ponies ?
As for handling modern cars both rwd and fwd should handle very well, they've had enough practice making them, but in simple physics terms a tyre that has to provide sideways friction/grip as well as forward clearly cannot offer the same as a car that uses front for steering only and the rear for go only, it may be due to the fact most are fwd these days and so developed a lot more recently, ie far newer design, the cossie was diabolical in the handling stakes to start with, but ask professional drivers what they prefer car wise and rwd would win easily imo.
It's not by chance that proper powerful cars don't have a fwd amongst them do they ?
tabetha

 

its funny how every year the cossys handle worse, road tests when they were new argued that they were 'amazing' and 'fantastic' and now they are shonky old sierra's that dont handle properly yet the M3 of the same era that was praised for the same things at the time still to this day handles amazing? :S
my friend chirs has an integra type are thats more or less standard with a remap and exhaust etc and it spins up in 2nd so doubt this one doesnt with 350...

 

nothing wrong with FWD, they can now make FWD crars go well.

20 years ago it was another matter, but hey, get with the times

i'd take a modern FWD motor over a 20year old cossie any day!

 

Who've you upset now mike?lol!! Guy sounds full of shit,if I had a 350bhp front wheel driver and it DIDN'T spin I'd be devastated!

And as for French cars,please don't get me started!!

 

i had a focus st it was 306 bhp real nice car to drive and fast but i can conner my bmw 330d msport better and my staff its a 4x4 tho

 

lol this is funny ive got a cossy and also an old audi coupe sport 2.0 16v 140bhp well probebly about 110bhp lol now its on 176000 miles and thats fwd and spins like a bitch with serious talk steering so not sure what that lad is on about lol

 

i ment to say the st had the tc on most of the time mmm wonder why i had that on

 

My civic was 170 Bhopal non LSD and span much less then my 120 Bhopal fiesta. They hook up ok for a front driver.

 

Friend of mine had a supercharged integra about 5/6 years ago, he sold it because it could never get decent traction, as soon as ther "V-Tec kicked in yo" it just floated about everywhere.