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Old Mar 19, 2010 | 03:22 PM
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Lattice alloys vs Sharktooth alloys wearing the same R888s. Sharktooth is 1.5kg lighter (15.5kg vs 17kg) and has more clearance inside for bigger calipers. That's my thought for the day. Charlie





Oh yeah, another thing, don't ever try spraying wheels with white Hammerite - it gives you a rubbish finish . Still at eight wheels for £115 it's not a big deal if the finish is a bit crap.

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Old Mar 19, 2010 | 03:39 PM
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lol I am about to wrap my lattice wheels in 888 for my championship aswell
need to find some sharktooths, might be worth a 10th a lap!!

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Old Mar 19, 2010 | 03:58 PM
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lol I am about to wrap my lattice wheels in 888 for my championship aswell
need to find some sharktooths, might be worth a 10th a lap!!

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Sharktooths are the new black. Cheap as chips cos nobody likes them but spray them black or white, get rid of the centre caps and you have a light motorsport wheel.

205/50/15s btw on there at the moment. Just squeeze up next to the coilovers I run with 1mm clearance.

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Old Mar 19, 2010 | 04:21 PM
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this is why they ran snowflakes on later 4x4 cars as they were lighter !!
needed for homoligation purpose perhaps !!
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Old Mar 19, 2010 | 06:16 PM
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The value of sharktooths has rocketed this year , they are the new in thing lol

See how many sapphs you see at show this year with them on
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Originally Posted by benporter
The value of sharktooths has rocketed this year , they are the new in thing lol

See how many sapphs you see at show this year with them on
You're telling me! The one I picked up yesterday was a fiver! Paying through the nose for them!

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Old Mar 20, 2010 | 08:09 PM
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Sharktooths are kool.
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ive got sharktooths,they look great on my rs turbo but i wanna try and swap them for sum escos rims as they look a tiny bit too small
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Originally Posted by rickbartlett
ive got sharktooths,they look great on my rs turbo but i wanna try and swap them for sum escos rims as they look a tiny bit too small
Got a photo? I saw some on a Fiesta the other day and they looked good. I don't like them on a Sapph though.

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they look really good without centre caps
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Originally Posted by Char1ie
Lattice alloys vs Sharktooth alloys wearing the same R888s. Sharktooth is 1.5kg lighter (15.5kg vs 17kg) and has more clearance inside for bigger calipers. That's my thought for the day. Charlie

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Good info Charlie -always enjoy reading your racecar blog and handling mods. I thought I'd check my wheels after reading your post and see how badly the 17s hurt the handling/feel. I've got luggage scales rather than bathroom ones but my lattice 15" with 888s on came out at 17kg exactly too






Comp 6 spoke MOs with T1-Rs on came out at 18.5kg - an increase of 1.5kg - explains why it feels worse on bumpy roads





Have to look out for some sharktooths to swap the 888s onto

1.5kg is a useful saving per corner
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Good info Charlie -always enjoy reading your racecar blog and handling mods. I thought I'd check my wheels after reading your post and see how badly the 17s hurt the handling/feel. I've got luggage scales rather than bathroom ones but my lattice 15" with 888s on came out at 17kg exactly too






Comp 6 spoke MOs with T1-Rs on came out at 18.5kg - an increase of 1.5kg - explains why it feels worse on bumpy roads





Have to look out for some sharktooths to swap the 888s onto

1.5kg is a useful saving per corner
Those lattice alloys look immaculate!
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Originally Posted by rickbartlett
ive got sharktooths,they look great on my rs turbo but i wanna try and swap them for sum escos rims as they look a tiny bit too small

I think I'll try and hunt down a set of sharktooths and get them done in an anthracite or smoked chrome type finish
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wow Mike 1, 3kgs per corner is hell of alot, let us know how much the handeling changes between them

i didnt expect wheels and tyres to weigh that much
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Originally Posted by jammerrs
wow Mike 1, 3kgs per corner is hell of alot, let us know how much the handeling changes between them

i didnt expect wheels and tyres to weigh that much

Well I guess it's a 20 % increase in weight between 17" Comps and the lighter 15s.

If you could reduce the weight of your car by 20% ( i.e bring the weight of a 2wd Sapphire down from 1200ish kilos to down under 1000kgs I bet you'd notice some difference
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Unsprung weight is important. In the most basic terms a lighter wheel/hub/brake combination can have a big impact on handling. My experienced racing mate puts it simply - times the weightloss by three if you are removing mass from the wheels. So I am taking 6kgs out of the weight of my wheels, and 3.6kg from the brakes (see below), for a total of 9.6kg which is effectively nearly 30kgs handling improvement.

I also have a weight limit of 1188kg for me+car. I weigh 100kg. I would like to get the car as close to that as possible - I was 30kg over last year. So removing nearly 10kg gets me closer to the weight limit.

Brakes:
12. Go to the kitchen. Original Cossie caliper with pads weighs 5.3KG (scale has gone right round past zero)


13. Hi Spec brackets and DS3000 pads weigh 1kg


14. Hi Spec calipers weight 2.5kg



Change of calipers saves 1.8kg per wheel in unsprung weight, gives a bigger braking surface area, should diffuse heat quicker and didn't cost too much.

Brakes: https://passionford.com/forum/ford-s...pictorial.html


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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike1
Well I guess it's a 20 % increase in weight between 17" Comps and the lighter 15s.

If you could reduce the weight of your car by 20% ( i.e bring the weight of a 2wd Sapphire down from 1200ish kilos to down under 1000kgs I bet you'd notice some difference
I did a trackday with a 100kg mate and when he got out the car felt much more nimble.

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Originally Posted by Char1ie
Unsprung weight is important. In the most basic terms a lighter wheel/hub/brake combination can have a big impact on handling. My experienced racing mate puts it simply - times the weightloss by three if you are removing mass from the wheels. So I am taking 6kgs out of the weight of my wheels, and 3.6kg from the brakes (see below), for a total of 9.6kg which is effectively nearly 30kgs handling improvement.

Very true Charlie - God is in the detail. Lotus pay particular attention to this sort of stuff
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And here they are mounted. Racing tomorrow at Brands.






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good luck tomorrow then. Looking forward to the results and pics...
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Good luck Charlie!
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 02:59 PM
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Thanks. I'm feeling very nervous at the moment. I haven't driven the car yet and there are still a few things to do.


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looks lovely, never liked the sharktooths before but they look really good on that

what else have you got planned to get the weight down?
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