Hello a ll Im just wondering is it possible to get 500 + bhp from the escort rs turbo without nitrous.

Now i relise a new engine would be needed as the standar 1.6 might not be able to handle it.

So what engine would you think would make that sort of power. ? 2.0L ZVH ? any thing else ?

Also im looking to make it 4 wheel drive aswell .

What would think?

 

We have the 400bhp question, now its 500bhp

 

sorrrrrry Is it possible ? Can the ZVH handle it ? or what about full zetec ? or the zetec with the ST170 head ? or can zetecs not handle it ?.

I mean evos, subarus etc have 2.0L engines and can make 500bhp surly the escort can in some form

 

have you got 30k aswel?

 

The world is your oyster if your safety deposit box is full of pearls...

 

Im going to be doing it over a period of time and be doing alot of the work my self so can save with some of the labour.

Can the cosworth engine fit in ? or am i better with something else?

 

yes a zetec can make 500 brake, do a google for area 6. you don't need 30k thats just silly. for 300 brake you may as well use the whole st170 engine, after all its just a zetec with better components and a better conrod ratio.

few items that will be needed on your spec list:

area 6 or equivalent intake manifold
gt35 etc
aftermarket management
custom cams
forged pistons
forged h section rods
not sure on crank?

Rob,

 

https://passionford.com/forum/genera...-and-pics.html

 

http://www.area-six.co.uk/Engine%20Packages.htm

So would i be looking for engine package 3 ?? Silver Top or Black Top ? So the engine would cost around the 4K mark then ?

 

i think you need to look again, areasix will do that for £4600-4850.
blacktops seeem to be the way the power is going higher, no idea why, probably a younger engine and solid lifters instead of hydraulic, bigger gearings for cams too.
to be honest it's not that much money to get to 500bhp, but that doesn't say anything about management or cost of turbo or manifolds etc.
in all honesty i'd start with a five cylinder audi turbo engine, easily hit 500bhp with less cost.
money is the only thing stopping anyone trying different things to get more power.

 

sure dans car (RAT8OY on here) is 530 odd bhp thats zetec turbo

 

to be honest i'd build a forged bottom end with a standard blacktop head with the uprated springs with a t34 which for now will be around the 1500 mark and run it on megasquirt and you'll see a genuine 320bhp and from there on after as money allows up the power as there'll be other things that will be needed to handle that type of power and to do it all at once will be very daunting and you'll probably lose hope

 

4G63.

 

Have you got one sitting about looking for a home? What gearbox would you use or would you put all the running gear in? I've currently got an Rs Turbo shell looking for an engine and I'd like to do something different, not to mention Gary might not want to pour petrol over it...

 

Here's the reply from areasix about the 500bhp.

Yes I am able to supply a 500HP unit no problem. The engine alone is £4950, and that's rocker box*to sump, and an assurance it will exceed 500HP on an engine dyno (much more on a Rolling Road).
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Be aware that you do need an appropriate Inlet manifold and turbo to achieve your goal. I will happily supply all parts inc ecu, injectors, loom, manifold, turbo wastegate, etc and you have the confidence that all parts will be reliable and appropriately specified.
*
Diff between Silver and black-top - Silver has hydraulic followers, black top is mechanical. The basic port shape on black-top's is a little better on the inlet port. The black-top has a second idler after the exhaust cam to 'wrap' the belt better around the exh cam pulley. The main caps on a black-top are much shallower. Oil pump on silver-tops integrates the oil filter mounting. Water pump on Black-top sits forward of the block, silver top sits into block.
*
Silver is easy to mount into older chassis, black-top fit's easier into later models 2001 onwards, but can fit into earlies with custom mounts.


Also was thinking about putting the cosworth engine in. Is that too much work?

 

all depends on what you plan to do, if your keeping it fwd just stick a zetec in, now if your talking cossie power and either rwd or 4wd your talking far more hastle and also a huge wedge of cash to go with it

 

if you are going 4wd then longitudal mount engine is easier with cossie or zetec turbo i would not mess around with rs2000 or mondeo 4X4 system as its not know to be reliable at that power level, the floor pan and rear suspension will need to be heavily modified to do this.

 

So would I be best sticking to fwd? But then surly I wouldn't be able to put all that power down?

I know someone who can convert it to 4wd but would only get it done if it's worth it.

 

just buy a saph or a skyline.

 

So would I be best sticking to fwd? But then surly I wouldn't be able to put all that power down?

I know someone who can convert it to 4wd but would only get it done if it's worth it.

 

well if you know people how to do it and you dont mind chopping and got the cash go for it,4wd's are great off the line, but the cosworth 4wd system will not handle 500hp as far as im aware

 

550bhp @ 1 bar boost easy enough with a sorted ST170 engine and right turbo

 

I dont quite get the point in speccing a build to only run 1 bar of boost? Surely thats the wrong turbo? Considering most turbo's of the size needed to make that power can operate efficiently at >2.0 bar, it seems silly to have such a large turbo that only 1 bar of boost is needed?

Would make more sense to have a smaller turbo (for more response) and more boost surely? Maybe it's just my way of looking at it.

What turbo are you referring to by the way? Would have to be a GT35 at least I'd have thought for that power.

 

would love you to prove that.

 

So a standard zetetc engine ( 2.0L 16V ) wil be able to handle that power then yeah ?

The FWD VS 4WD ? can a fwd escort put down 500 bhp to the tyres without spinning them in every gear ? Like say for a 0-60 sprint ( i would like it under 4 seconds you think 500 HP should be enough?

 

with a set of full on drag slicks then yes a sub 4.sec 0-60 could be done but not on any road tyres imo

 

So would that still be keeping it FWD with some drag tyres ? then it should be ( depending how good i can drive that day hehe ) sub 4 seconds?

 

500bhp!!! its overkill in a fwd... its hard enough getting grip with 250-300bhp in an old fiesta/escort

 

I wouldn't try to do a sub 4 sec in an escort. Firstly you will be spending alot of money to get a car that is shit to drive 90% of the time. Secondly you will need to spend money on a decent gearbox, driveshafts, engine mounts etc......

As said previously, if you're obsessed with 0-60 buy something else.

If you fancy a low capacity fwd car that can do a 0-60 in the 4s, there is a bloke on here who has a Civic which is stupid fast.

 

it will be a challenge i would like to ( once all the work is done ) have one of the fastest ERST but i know this will need a lot of work and money im just trying to find the best route to take.

FWD ? 4WD ? Zetec Engine ? Cosworth engine ( seen it done before ) CVH ? ( dont hink it will be able to handle 500 HP but it might )

 

with current developments i would say a blacktop zetec would be best as there seems to be a few people with that now so there is much being learned in terms of tuning them and making that power usable
your biggest problem if you wanna stick with a erst is getting it to be able to use the power- with a new chassis like the focus mk1/2 its hard enough making that power usable i would think- in a 20yr old escort you really will have to go town on it!

 

if you really want to plant 500bhp, then 4x4 transmission off a cossie (lots of uprated parts to make it not fall apart) or RWD which is what a lot of people to do reduce costs of brakages.

 

if you have deep pockets, and the imagination to go with it anythings possible
good luck to which ever route you plan to take and keep us all updated,will be interesting

 

2wd makes most monetary sense to avoid breakages, but the grip goes. If you really want an escort erst then it has to be fwd. If you want a Escort that is really another car underneath then do a Royal Nail, which is currently being done by several people, but in reality is a Cosworth in drag. If you want to be different, do a different chassis swap; Skyline based Escort?

 

i would love to 4X4 my black top Zetec turbo project and stick the boost all the way up to 500. i think the cossie thing has been over done and if i were you then the 4X4 blacktop would be the way and maybe utilise some odd cut n shut 6 speed box.

 

check out my thread...

https://passionford.com/forum/cars-f...-breaking.html

400bhp can be safely put down by FWD if u want it too, and when it does it rips up the tarmac.
alot of Rwd cars cannot keep up !

 

They did a 4x4 Mondeo! You could use that as a start but don’t think it would handle 300bhp let alone 500bhp so would need a lot of modding!
And again its more then likely been done before! – Just maybe not with 500bhp

 

yes still fwd ,i did a 5 dead to 60 on a set of 888s with 300hp last year and only had two run's 5.03 5.21 . im sure i could get that into the 4s this year.

 

What needs to get done to the chassis to strengthen it up ?

Right well maybe i thought 500 bhp wasnt as much as it is so ill let you know what im after and hopefully you guys can help me out.

Drive - not bothered if its FWD, RWD, 4WD aslong as it doesnt spin and just burns rubber all day.

Use - "Sunday" car, very minimal use.

0-60 - Sub 4 seconds

Top speed - 170mph +

Would like it to be quicker than the likes of, Jap subarus, evos etc ( quicker more in straight line rather than round corners but still would like it to handle well ).

Would also like 3 diffrent settings - say something like : Road ( X amount of power ) : Race ( X+ some more power ) Then the 3rd would be like the race setting but with a squirt of nitrous. Could that work ?


There we go - what do i need ? Can anyone help..... Please

 

[quote=applesandoranges2010;4656757]Here's the reply from areasix about the 500bhp.

Yes I am able to supply a 500HP unit no problem. The engine alone is £4950, and that's rocker box*to sump, and an assurance it will exceed 500HP on an engine dyno (much more on a Rolling Road).
*
Be aware that you do need an appropriate Inlet manifold and turbo to achieve your goal. I will happily supply all parts inc ecu, injectors, loom, manifold, turbo wastegate, etc and you have the confidence that all parts will be reliable and appropriately specified.
*
Diff between Silver and black-top - Silver has hydraulic followers, black top is mechanical. The basic port shape on black-top's is a little better on the inlet port. The black-top has a second idler after the exhaust cam to 'wrap' the belt better around the exh cam pulley. The main caps on a black-top are much shallower. Oil pump on silver-tops integrates the oil filter mounting. Water pump on Black-top sits forward of the block, silver top sits into block.
*
Silver is easy to mount into older chassis, black-top fit's easier into later models 2001 onwards, but can fit into earlies with custom mounts.


crazycage soz i just couldnt resist either lol!!

on a more serious note iam 4x4 a mk6 fiesta with a 500+zetec turbo using cosworth running gear so if you need any help let us know. the gearbox wont handle 500bhp and needs uprating with a bara straight cut gearbox which is around £4000. then front diff and rear diff expect around the £1000 mark each , drive shafts x4 £1000 , prop £250 then it all depends on what setup you want , cheap is using cossie floor pan , subframes, rear beam and make custom mounts, expensive custom built tunnel ,floors ,rear tubs for wide tyres, wrc rear independent rear end , etc etc the list goes on.

knowing paul johnson (179mph 500bhp+ fwd fiesta zetec turbo )it will be a handfull but paul really enjoys himself and hes just had a nice 80bhp increase lol

i would say keep it fwd unless you have serious cash and time on your hands waiting for work to be done because at this level you either have to be very good at welding or get some decent firm in

hope this helps
heres a link to my thread to show how much works involved and it aint even half way there yet!
https://passionford.com/forum/restor...tted-16-a.html

my engine was built by ian howell whois a very good friend of mine so let me know if you need anything or any help

cheers paul