Rally cars
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Rally cars
How would an old group B rally car do against an up to date WRC rally car in terms of:
handling
reliabilty
performance
straight line speed
And round a track, i know the old ones have got more power but the new ones are surley built to handle better
handling
reliabilty
performance
straight line speed
And round a track, i know the old ones have got more power but the new ones are surley built to handle better
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Been discussed 1000's of times at motorclubs around the country and most have come to the conclusion that a modern day WRC car would walk all over one.
What they did need tho' is proper driver ability and skill.
There MAY be a Group B Audi out at Croft again on the 28th doing demo runs at lunchtime, as sadly they are BANNED from competing now due to their alloy cages
So I guess we will never really get to know the true answer.
What they did need tho' is proper driver ability and skill.
There MAY be a Group B Audi out at Croft again on the 28th doing demo runs at lunchtime, as sadly they are BANNED from competing now due to their alloy cages
So I guess we will never really get to know the true answer.
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how do they compare straigh line though?
rs the faster fords has some times listed for the rs200 aswell as fair few other rally cars - is there anything modern with the focus say in?
rs the faster fords has some times listed for the rs200 aswell as fair few other rally cars - is there anything modern with the focus say in?
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Re: Rally cars
handling
GrpB was not as good, thats their main disadvantage over,todays cars, a main one too
reliabilty
About the same TBH. The GrpB cars had more BHP per litre but had NO restrictions really so didnt have to run to the extreme limit like WRC cars do.
performance
Well its hard, as handling wasnt as advanced, but watch GrpB vids, the cars were totally breathtaking. Come to the Rally day at Castle Coombe, its fookin crazy.
straight line speed
GrpB cars would leave WRCs for dead providing grip wasnt a major issue (ie you on tarmac), twice the power (and more!) and far less weight.
Exactly. The current cars are hugely more advanced in respect to handling, you talking a good 18years development! 
WRC cars handle much much better, but GrpB has the power n weight advantage, but on MOST circuits a current WRC car would win. But if you got a WRC car and took away any restrictions regarding engine spec barring capacity (a la GrpB) they piss all over current WRCs.
GrpB was the golden years of entertainment and nothing will ever come close unless they re-introduce GrpB spec or VERY similar
GrpB was not as good, thats their main disadvantage over,todays cars, a main one too
reliabilty
About the same TBH. The GrpB cars had more BHP per litre but had NO restrictions really so didnt have to run to the extreme limit like WRC cars do.
performance
Well its hard, as handling wasnt as advanced, but watch GrpB vids, the cars were totally breathtaking. Come to the Rally day at Castle Coombe, its fookin crazy.
straight line speed
GrpB cars would leave WRCs for dead providing grip wasnt a major issue (ie you on tarmac), twice the power (and more!) and far less weight.
And round a track, i know the old ones have got more power but the new ones are surley built to handle better
WRC cars handle much much better, but GrpB has the power n weight advantage, but on MOST circuits a current WRC car would win. But if you got a WRC car and took away any restrictions regarding engine spec barring capacity (a la GrpB) they piss all over current WRCs.
GrpB was the golden years of entertainment and nothing will ever come close unless they re-introduce GrpB spec or VERY similar
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Originally Posted by M Brian
how do they compare straigh line though?
The first one to the finish line is the winner, not just the quickest in a straight line
But if its just a straight line competition with the modern day restrictions, and both running the same rubber the GpB car with double the power would win.
But then in a straight line competition against a funny fuel dragster it would lose so its pointless to compare like that.
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it was proven on top gear, evo8 and audi quatro, the evo PISHED on the audi, mk2 escort wasnt far behind the focus rs tho !
The Audi wasn't a Group B car and the Evo was a road car with AYC...
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Focus RS or Focus WRC Dave ???
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It's pretty abvious that group B cars don't stand a chance with WRC on a stage. They may have much more power but it's been many years of development in terms of chasis dynamics, transmission. The gearbox alone makes WRC car much quicker then Group A car of the same power.
Active diffs make them even more stupidly fast.
Still Group B cars are monsters)) Wonder if one could put some modern stuff on RS200 or something... if I win some uilion dollars one day I will think about doing something like that
Active diffs make them even more stupidly fast.
Still Group B cars are monsters
)) Wonder if one could put some modern stuff on RS200 or something... if I win some uilion dollars one day I will think about doing something like that
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