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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 09:23 AM
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Default How high can you safely rev a std YB engine ?

With a fully balanced engine, std comp, all pistons/rods same weight, and std cams/lifters, how high can you safely rev a YB engine ? 7000rpm or can you go to 7500rpm ? Turbo is a T34 0.63 and Siemens 55lb injectors.

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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 09:24 AM
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8k standard quite safely, IF engine is in good condtion
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 09:26 AM
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7800 imo, you get lifter issues around 8k
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 09:27 AM
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low comp with standard everything else, T34 and greys did 8250 ofr a year and a half of total death without any bother.
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 09:28 AM
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wouldnt go no further than 7500 unless u put upraed springs in ! but why it needs to be reved that hard on a t34 is beyond me mate
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
8k standard quite safely, IF engine is in good condtion
I doubt the valve springs would cope with 8k.
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by JTECHSAFF
7800 imo, you get lifter issues around 8k

shouldnt get lifter issues on a t34 at that rpm t4 yeas but not a t34
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by bud-weis
I doubt the valve springs would cope with 8k.
valve bounce anyone
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 09:31 AM
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wouldnt go no further than 7500 unless u put upraed springs in ! but why it needs to be reved that hard on a t34 is beyond me mate
Well I have 4.44 diffs and 16" wheels so it would give some more range in the gears to rev it to 7000 or max 7500 rather than 6500. And I think the 0.63 T34 is still good at 7000. Obviously not as good as a T4 of course, but still enough.
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Mad Matt
Well I have 4.44 diffs and 16" wheels so it would give some more range in the gears to rev it to 7000 or max 7500 rather than 6500. And I think the 0.63 T34 is still good at 7000. Obviously not as good as a T4 of course, but still enough.

ah ok matt then get some reyland uprated valve springs to be safe and jobs a good one
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Jay.
shouldnt get lifter issues on a t34 at that rpm t4 yeas but not a t34
how does a different turbo change the level of rpm a hydraulic tappet can safely run?

i wouldnt fancy any of my ybs over 7800, without solid lifters

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Originally Posted by JTECHSAFF
how does a different turbo change the level of rpm a hydraulic tappet can safely run?

oh boy did i know this reply was coming

the volume of air is greater plus higher pressure run usually will collapse the hydrohlic tappet hence using solid lifters ! dave (madyum) suffered this issue on his last run at brunters using standard lifters
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 09:42 AM
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i assumed you were talking about cam choice, as this also makes a huge difference
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 09:43 AM
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never mentioned cams as he states standard everything hence my reply james
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even on a t34 i was loosing power at the end of session on hydraulic tappets at 7500....
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Originally Posted by Jay.
never mentioned cams as he states standard everything hence my reply james
but YOU mentioned T4.... and who runs a t4 on std cams?


you said you may get an issue on a t4 but not t34.....maybe thats also due to cam choice?

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A turbo has no awareness of how fast the engine is turning.. all it knows is airflow..
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by JTECHSAFF
even on a t34 i was loosing power at the end of session on hydraulic tappets at 7500....
With a 0.63 exhaust housing or smaller ?
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.48 mate, it was quite noticable...i guess id lost lots of lift
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by JTECHSAFF
.48 mate, it was quite noticable...i guess id lost lots of lift
Yes, but as I have a 0.63, surely there won't be a real major loss ? 0.48 is understandable
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by JTECHSAFF
but YOU mentioned T4.... and who runs a t4 on std cams?



you said you may get an issue on a t4 but not t34.....maybe thats also due to cam choice?

plenty do james as there are those thsat believe a standard cam are good lol

again matt stated standard cams

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With a 0.63 exhaust housing or smaller ?
that turbo will not cause lifter issues's thats why i suggested valve springs
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 09:56 AM
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The bottom end will take more revs than there is any point going to on that setup.

Lifters and springs will start to give you issues as you approach the 8K region.
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 09:57 AM
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Yes so will only change the springs then. Good news Will really need these extra rpms. Thanks everyone for the advices
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 10:08 AM
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i have uprated springs but oem hyd tappets and 7800 rpm has been no bother.
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 10:08 AM
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just be prepared to be disapointed with your power output on hydraulic lifters at the end of a hard session, even more so at high rpm....


imo

scooby slayer, i also run mine at 7800, on hyds...i hope it will be ok,otherwise i willl convert to solids....

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Yeah if you keep it up at those revs it will be rattling its tits off at the end of a track session as the oil thins out, as it will knock the hell out of the lifters.
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 10:33 AM
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thats exactly what i found chip.

if you rev it high, you end up loosing so much lift /power,
you may aswell have knocked 500rpm off, and kept it stable, at the end of a session it would have more power, especially on a t34 which makes good low down power

i dont hold out much hope for mine tbh
and nomatter what turbo i would never take hyds over 7800 as you said its more due to heat and oil that causes them issues, they sound like they are empty

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my limit is 7800rpm double valve springs and standard lifters
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Originally Posted by JTECHSAFF
but YOU mentioned T4.... and who runs a t4 on std cams?


you said you may get an issue on a t4 but not t34.....maybe thats also due to cam choice?
well at least 500 people started that way!
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Originally Posted by big_wig_074
well at least 500 people started that way!
yes at 200bhp

i dont really see why people would chose a t4 for that
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