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Old Oct 24, 2008 | 11:56 AM
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I was thinking bout getting anti lag on my 3dr next year, got a couple of questions:

Im only running 350bhp so is it really worth it?
How much is it?
Does it do any damage?

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Old Oct 24, 2008 | 12:04 PM
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to be safe you need a special shaft in your turbo as it tends to get a bit hot, MSD can add anti lag to one of their chips for about Ł300 quid i think but the real cost is in the turbo shaft??
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Old Oct 24, 2008 | 12:32 PM
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A Maram 247 shaft to be precise

If you have an L8 ECU, it'll need modifying to support antilag - if you don't have an L8, you'll need one, or an ECU that knows how to do antilag out of the box as there are alternatives.
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Old Oct 24, 2008 | 01:37 PM
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Or you could just have the anti lag noise, like I have, and it's LOUD, as cozmeister can tell you, but different ecu needed, no turbo mods though.
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Old Oct 24, 2008 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by tabetha
Or you could just have the anti lag noise, like I have, and it's LOUD, as cozmeister can tell you, but different ecu needed, no turbo mods though.
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And the point of that is....?
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Old Oct 24, 2008 | 01:54 PM
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its loud mike, come on get with the program, performance means nothing unless its really loud
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Old Oct 24, 2008 | 01:56 PM
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You've just made me feel very, very old . I thought that anything like that was supposed to offer a performance improvement to warrant the need to carry it out .
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Old Oct 24, 2008 | 02:12 PM
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on a more serious note mike, its about Ł900 to convert a normal turbo to 247 shaft/turbine wheel??
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It would work out cheaper to sell your own turbo and buy a Mar-m 247 shafted one outright...
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Old Oct 24, 2008 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by joffy
on a more serious note mike, its about Ł900 to convert a normal turbo to 247 shaft/turbine wheel??
Back on topic at last!
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Old Oct 24, 2008 | 02:28 PM
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sorry, was just teaching mike its not always hip to be square lol,
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In my experience, normal turbos are fine for mild road use. I have a lot of customers using ALS on road spoc turbos with no problem at all.
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Old Oct 24, 2008 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
In my experience, normal turbos are fine for mild road use. I have a lot of customers using ALS on road spoc turbos with no problem at all.
So presumably a 247 shaft is only necessary if you're going on track or other such activities?
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Old Oct 24, 2008 | 10:03 PM
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Another question:

Does it blow your exhaust to bits?
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It didn't when roosie had it, but temps went rocketing.
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if its worth doing get a tuner to sort out a quote.if MSD do anti lag on the customers cars speak to 1 of them and see what they say .
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You just need to prevent the temps from exceeding 900 deg C, so you would need to have something like a Defi gauge (with it's alarm warning) connected to the ALS switch so that it could turn it off when that temp was reached (if you didn't have this available in the ECU).
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Old Oct 26, 2008 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by tabetha
Or you could just have the anti lag noise, like I have, and it's LOUD, as cozmeister can tell you, but different ecu needed, no turbo mods though.
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how do you do that then?
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Old Oct 26, 2008 | 05:17 PM
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I quite fancy mild Anti lag on mine. Hmmmmmmmmmm. I will have the funds in a week or two.

Stu you may recieve a call from me soon regarding our PM chat.
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I'm getting anti lag after i have run my engine in. Getting a Maram shafted fitted to my T34 next week .

Went for a run in my mates saff with an MSD conversion the other week, its great.

The police don't tend to like it though, hes just got a section 59
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Originally Posted by cossie1000
I'm getting anti lag after i have run my engine in. Getting a Maram shafted fitted to my T34 next week .

Went for a run in my mates saff with an MSD conversion the other week, its great.

The police don't tend to like it though, hes just got a section 59
His car got an ASBO
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Old Oct 26, 2008 | 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by cozmeister
His car got an ASBO
Not just the car, it apply s to his car and any car he is driving in an unfit manner
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Old Oct 27, 2008 | 02:27 AM
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Pity they don't dish some more out to the chavs round here, with their noisy ott exhausts!!
How long do these last for anyway ?
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Originally Posted by tabetha
Pity they don't dish some more out to the chavs round here, with their noisy ott exhausts!!
How long do these last for anyway ?
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says the bloke with anti lag noise and no anti lag
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Old Oct 27, 2008 | 04:21 PM
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Don`t you at least need a modified idle valve to?
Or you can run exhaust droven als?

I had this om my group N car and it`s d... loud.
I got it on my group A car to(can be seen in the next FF) But this does not work as well as the on in the group N car(pectel baby board and use the idle valve to add extra air at @ idle) on the grop car I have gems stand alone unit, and this does not add extra air true the ildle valve. It just have big opening om trottle and cuts of half of the fuel openings in the fuel jets under 3000 rev. (this is not a good solution) So I will opt. for a other system with idle valve on this to.

Does any one have a serious dealer I can contact to get all ths items and a chip customised to my specs. as I will not take my car over to england from Norway.

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Originally Posted by cozmeister
So presumably a 247 shaft is only necessary if you're going on track or other such activities?

Unless it was a no-noise limit day, You would probably get black flagged tbh using ALS on track.


I want ALS, Its a childish gimmick I want
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I have it on the saff, not really needed, good fun but probably more 'pub talk' for most people!
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If I ever get mine to work for more than 8hrs I'll let you know.
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Originally Posted by cossie1000
I'm getting anti lag after i have run my engine in. Getting a Maram shafted fitted to my T34 next week .

Went for a run in my mates saff with an MSD conversion the other week, its great.

The police don't tend to like it though, hes just got a section 59
That'll be me!!

It is a great gimmick, but, it is very anti-social and WILL get you plenty of attention from the police if you're not careful like i wasn't.
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Originally Posted by sapph1
That'll be me!!

It is a great gimmick, but, it is very anti-social and WILL get you plenty of attention from the police if you're not careful like i wasn't.
You have a white saph - is it the one in the video on you tube? That's fucking nuts, fair play if it is!!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=puGCda4ThvU
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ive already got 247 shaft so all i need is l8 or p8 and chip for MSD??

ifso any1 give me a ruff price please??

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http://www.motorsport-developments.co.uk/antilag.html
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Wots the difference with mild anti lag and isit cheaper?
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Originally Posted by bigchez
You have a white saph - is it the one in the video on you tube? That's fucking nuts, fair play if it is!!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=puGCda4ThvU
No, not mine, haven't got any vids of it as yet, its great when you're accelerating through the gears down a dark road, you can get some huge flashes out of the exhaust when you change gear,
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Twellsie,
The difference is I don't tear around housing estates all night long, and all day for that matter, with no exhaust like a few round here, I have never used mine on an estate, won't even use it near old people or pets etc, f**k me it's not hrad to do is it, lower the soft cut and hard cut job done, all I have done is put on one of my three maps soft cut at 3000rpm , then hard cut at 3300rpm, got bored so have taken it off now, modded yesterday so I can use low or high impdedance injectors now, as greys were only 2.25ohm.
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Originally Posted by tabetha
f**k me it's not hrad to do is it, lower the soft cut and hard cut job done, all I have done is put on one of my three maps soft cut at 3000rpm , then hard cut at 3300rpm,
Erm, what has that got to do with ALS?
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Originally Posted by sapph1
No, not mine, haven't got any vids of it as yet, its great when you're accelerating through the gears down a dark road, you can get some huge flashes out of the exhaust when you change gear,
Yeah i know you nearly melted my front bumper!!!
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Damn it Im having it asap, Stu you have PM

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can you fit an Lag on a ERST? T3 turbo?

what would i need?
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Originally Posted by RSTurboSI
can you fit an Lag on a ERST? T3 turbo?

what would i need?

Some form of EFi management thats capable, P8, L8, Autronic etc.

Won't work on MFi.
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