drove my mates on saturday and got to say i thaught it was a cracking car and really enjoyed the drive of it, I'm even thinking about selling the evo and getting one now.

i know people go on about how they handle but bloody hell my mates knows how to drive it especially after its just been remapped, nothing like the old FWD turbo cars of old.

Had a bit of race on with a ST and made it look like it was going backwards.

 

rumour has it a 4x4 one is coming out(using the saab gear)might be worth wait and seeing power is said to be anything from 300-350bhp

 

my mates got the nurberg version and they do go very well, if you take the pre cat out you get a lovely pop between gears were it just dumps excess fuel in.

 

there was pictures of a mk5 last year in total vauxhall that had a rear diff on and was seen leaving the nurberg i think it was so vauxhall/opel have tried and tested one about time they did a replacement of the cavy's and calibra's

 

4wd vauxhalls ARE coming soon, the new epsilon 2 platform is fully developed now, and is adaptable to both 2wd and 4wd.
The insignia is coming out with 4wd next year, and will be 300bhp or so.

I suspect an astra will follow relatively soon after.

Engines will include the mighty vectra vxr 2.8 v6 turbo, and it will come with an LSD option too.

Vauxhall arent dicking around these days, shame ford wont take the lead, they have most of the technology they need in the volvo range!

 

i still think the ST is a prettier car,doesnt the VXR suffer from understeer really badly?

 

No worse than the ST really.

Both of them are shameful in not coming with an ATB diff as standard though, focus rs style.

 

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php...=458d5fc827e78

interesting !

 

All FWD drive cars will if you drive them like Clarkson drove the Astra. He hates Vauxhall; don't listen to him.

Benni.

 

personally the VXR is actually a better looking car than the focus ST.

if i had the choice i'd choose the astra in blue with the optional 19's, cos they look the nuts.

would be happy to replace my FRS with that.

 

personly for me i'd have a vxr over a st i drove a st and for the money i'd rather buy the c70. its the same engine. were as a vxr feels a bit more lively to me.

 

Don't know why people compare the VXR range to ST's? ST's are not really out and out performance cars, the VXR's are. Wait til some RS's come out and you'll et fair comparisons.

 

They compare them as they are equivalent models, neither is an out and out performance car and both are similarly priced and targetted as the same market.

In what way in your opinion is the astra compromised as a road car either in terms of refinement of cost in order to gain performance that the ST isnt?

 

I must admit i do really like the look of these and thats coming from someone who really loves his ford and doesn't like vauxhalls.
i bet there will be a VXR-R when the focus RS comes out

 

IMHO vauxhall are enjoying their position at the moment relative to ford in the fast road market, so I agree that they wont let it slip away easily.

 

i must admit i do like the VXR's at the moment.

anyone seen this yet on the RSOC?







looks pretty damn tasty in blue i must say

 

I still think the original RS is the best hot hatch out at the moment.

Benni.

 

no where near imo

megane, mazda, civic are better all round cars imo

 

But its not out at the moment, it hasnt been for years?

 

i must say that look very nice at the front. my mates got a focus rs just sits in his garage. dont think its done more than 3000miles in 2 years

 

id have a mk1 focus RS over a VXR anyday of week
but i do think the newer vauxhalls are looking pretty funky compared to the old abortions
that new focus RS looks mint in bluei think they shouldve been a bit more adventurous with the wheels though

 

Hmmm, people don't seem to realise how well modern fwd cars handle

That mk2 frs above is absolutely gorgeous, but I couldn't get one as it'd be slower than the fez

astra vxr's are nice but when I drove one it felt very spongy and vague going into corners and seemed to roll quite alot, i've not driven a vxr nurburg though, although I idd have a play with one the other day and it went backwards

he was very surprised when we got to the next set of lights!

 

that photo gets me tempted to nip down to my ford dealer and stick a deposit down on a new RS, that looks horny as fook in blue

 

Oh I know, I was just saying. If I was in the market for a hot hatch you can buy I would go for the Focus, even though the Astra is better looking.

Benni.

 

you think the astras better lokking than the mk1 focus rs?

 

Sorry for the confusion. I meant buy new. I was reffering to the ST and the VXR. Focus RS is better looking than both put together.

Benni.

 

We've had a few Focus STs and they look cracking value for money around the Ł10k mark! [I know there's cheaper, but the last one I had was a 3 door ST in blue, basic spec but an 06 plate for Ł9999!]

Only had one Astra VXR and I have to admit, it seemed a better car all round imho! Would love some more as it sold straight away!

Make your mind up, have you driven one or not?

 

Lets hope they have a 4x4 ZAFIRA VXR.

 

that would be the nuts

 

I cant see why they wouldnt on the new zafira that will no doubt be epsilon ii based, but ive no idea when that will appear.

 

well i think i made my mind up and the evo is going for a VXR.

was surprised at how good the VXR was, so the hunt is on for a Arden blue 05 - 55 with 19's

had a insurance qoute on one and it came back at more than half the price of the evo and most of my driving is on motorways so a car with a 6 gears should save me a bit aswell.

 

chip,didnt clarkson slate the focus RS tho becoz of the diff??

even tho the VXR is a better car,being a true blue ford man,i'm getting a ST in a couple years

 

Sorry should have phrased my post better, what i mean is the ST is compromised compared to the RS model - ie its supposed to be more of a comfy cruiser type thing.


As far as i'm aware the VXR is the top range VX performance model and should be compared to the rs? I'm probably wrong as usual

 

astra VXR's are getting too common IMO in my area theres 2 nurburg ones, a blue one, a red one and a black one just lads i know lol most arent over the age of 22 either lol

must admit though on the optional 19's they look stunning!! and as said above with the pre-cat took out they do sound awesome!!

 

Oops sorry that was meant to say, I haven't driven the nurburg one

lol!!

 

i know im not chip but yeah i think he did, didnt he moan about the torque steer on them

 

I think the current VXRs are fantasic looking cars (I've never been in one, let alone driven one!) To be honest Ford simply has nothing to compare to the VXR range today.


Also he had nowhere to put his can of pop