Mclaren's Appeal
Lewis Hamilton has failed in his bid to have his Belgian Grand Prix victory restored after the FIA judges declared that McLaren's appeal against his penalty was 'inadmissable'.
Much of yesterday's hearing in Paris had been devoted to arguments over whether the appeal was actually valid, as the penalty was officially regarded as drivethrough that was only applied as a time penalty because the incident took place so close to the end of the race.
Under F1 rules, drivethrough penalties cannot be appealed.
McLaren's lawyers had attempted to argue that it should be regarded differently because Hamilton never took to the pit lane and the actual penalty applied was a time addition.
But after a day of deliberation, the FIA has announced that there were no grounds to appeal the decision and that the penalty stands.
"Having heard the explanations of the parties the Court has concluded that the appeal is inadmissible," said an FIA statement.
The verdict means that Felipe Massa retains his inherited Spa win, and that Hamilton goes into the final four races of the season just one point ahead of the Brazilian in the championship.
Much of yesterday's hearing in Paris had been devoted to arguments over whether the appeal was actually valid, as the penalty was officially regarded as drivethrough that was only applied as a time penalty because the incident took place so close to the end of the race.
Under F1 rules, drivethrough penalties cannot be appealed.
McLaren's lawyers had attempted to argue that it should be regarded differently because Hamilton never took to the pit lane and the actual penalty applied was a time addition.
But after a day of deliberation, the FIA has announced that there were no grounds to appeal the decision and that the penalty stands.
"Having heard the explanations of the parties the Court has concluded that the appeal is inadmissible," said an FIA statement.
The verdict means that Felipe Massa retains his inherited Spa win, and that Hamilton goes into the final four races of the season just one point ahead of the Brazilian in the championship.
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But last year ,(Liuzzi) Ferrari engine,(toro Rosso) was given atime penally for overtaking under a yellow flag, ( 25 sec ) However(Liuzzi) was subsequently successful in APPEALING the penalty.????
Another key part of McLaren's argument had been that the team had checked with FIA race director Charlie Whiting to see if Hamilton had driven correctly, and been told that the move was 'okay' in Whiting's opinion - with the judges hearing the relevant radio conversation in court yesterday.
There was a further controversy during the hearing when former FIA steward Tony Scott-Andrews claimed that the governing body had misrepresented his views in an email sent to all parties in the case last week.
McLaren's legal team had been using Scott-Andrews' decision to impose a time penalty on Vitantonio Liuzzi in last year's Japanese GP as a precedent for such judgements being appealed, but the FIA email indicated that Scott-Andrews had subsequently suggested he was wrong to apply such a penalty - a claim that Scott-Andrews vehemently disputed in a written submission to the appeal court.
(Scott Andrews) cliams that he was never asked if he had made a mistake by the F.I.A.
The opposite of the F.I.A. CLAIMS IN A EMAIL.
(Scott andrews) was shown the F.I.A. email describing the email by the F.I.A. as "INACURATE and MISLEADING"
There was a further controversy during the hearing when former FIA steward Tony Scott-Andrews claimed that the governing body had misrepresented his views in an email sent to all parties in the case last week.
McLaren's legal team had been using Scott-Andrews' decision to impose a time penalty on Vitantonio Liuzzi in last year's Japanese GP as a precedent for such judgements being appealed, but the FIA email indicated that Scott-Andrews had subsequently suggested he was wrong to apply such a penalty - a claim that Scott-Andrews vehemently disputed in a written submission to the appeal court.
(Scott Andrews) cliams that he was never asked if he had made a mistake by the F.I.A.
The opposite of the F.I.A. CLAIMS IN A EMAIL.
(Scott andrews) was shown the F.I.A. email describing the email by the F.I.A. as "INACURATE and MISLEADING"
Last edited by Karting; Sep 23, 2008 at 02:55 PM. Reason: more to say
Luis Hamilton is such a ponce, he complains at everything! he did somethign wrong he should accept it!
you dont hear young Amir Khan appealing to the Boxing Board of COntrol to over-rule his recent KO do you????
Luis - shut the fuck up, get back in your car, drive peoperly and you wont have a reason to moan then.
you dont hear young Amir Khan appealing to the Boxing Board of COntrol to over-rule his recent KO do you????
Luis - shut the fuck up, get back in your car, drive peoperly and you wont have a reason to moan then.
Luis Hamilton is such a ponce, he complains at everything! he did somethign wrong he should accept it!
you dont hear young Amir Khan appealing to the Boxing Board of COntrol to over-rule his recent KO do you????
Luis - shut the fuck up, get back in your car, drive peoperly and you wont have a reason to moan then.
you dont hear young Amir Khan appealing to the Boxing Board of COntrol to over-rule his recent KO do you????
Luis - shut the fuck up, get back in your car, drive peoperly and you wont have a reason to moan then.
One had the decision made for him & the other got knocked the fuck out because he wasn't good enough
Anyway roll on the next race
Vodafone McLaren Mercedes Statement
23rd September 2008
Tuesday 23rd September, 2008: The FIA International Court of Appeal has announced today that it has found Vodafone McLaren Mercedes' appeal in respect of the penalty awarded to Lewis Hamilton after the Belgian Grand Prix on September 7th to be inadmissible.
Martin Whitmarsh (Chief Operating Officer, McLaren Group) said:
"We are naturally disappointed with today's verdict, and to have received no ruling on the substance of our appeal. No-one wants to win Grands Prix in court; but we felt that Lewis had won the Belgian Grand Prix, on track, in an exciting and impressive manner. Our legal team and witnesses calmly explained this, as well as our belief that the appeal should be admissible, to the FIA International Court of Appeal. It nonetheless decided that our appeal was inadmissible. We will now concentrate on the remaining four races of the 2008 Formula 1 season."
Lewis Hamilton said:
"People will probably expect me to be depressed about today's result, but that isn't me. All I want to do now is put this matter behind me and get on with what we drivers do best: racing each other. We're racers, we're naturally competitive, and we love to overtake. Overtaking is difficult, and it feels great when you manage to pull off a great passing manoeuvre. If it pleases the spectators and TV viewers, it's better still. So I'm disappointed, yes, but not depressed."
23rd September 2008
Tuesday 23rd September, 2008: The FIA International Court of Appeal has announced today that it has found Vodafone McLaren Mercedes' appeal in respect of the penalty awarded to Lewis Hamilton after the Belgian Grand Prix on September 7th to be inadmissible.
Martin Whitmarsh (Chief Operating Officer, McLaren Group) said:
"We are naturally disappointed with today's verdict, and to have received no ruling on the substance of our appeal. No-one wants to win Grands Prix in court; but we felt that Lewis had won the Belgian Grand Prix, on track, in an exciting and impressive manner. Our legal team and witnesses calmly explained this, as well as our belief that the appeal should be admissible, to the FIA International Court of Appeal. It nonetheless decided that our appeal was inadmissible. We will now concentrate on the remaining four races of the 2008 Formula 1 season."
Lewis Hamilton said:
"People will probably expect me to be depressed about today's result, but that isn't me. All I want to do now is put this matter behind me and get on with what we drivers do best: racing each other. We're racers, we're naturally competitive, and we love to overtake. Overtaking is difficult, and it feels great when you manage to pull off a great passing manoeuvre. If it pleases the spectators and TV viewers, it's better still. So I'm disappointed, yes, but not depressed."
Vodafone McLaren Mercedes Statement
23rd September 2008
Tuesday 23rd September, 2008: The FIA International Court of Appeal has announced today that it has found Vodafone McLaren Mercedes' appeal in respect of the penalty awarded to Lewis Hamilton after the Belgian Grand Prix on September 7th to be inadmissible.
Martin Whitmarsh (Chief Operating Officer, McLaren Group) said:
"We are naturally disappointed with today's verdict, and to have received no ruling on the substance of our appeal. No-one wants to win Grands Prix in court; but we felt that Lewis had won the Belgian Grand Prix, on track, in an exciting and impressive manner. Our legal team and witnesses calmly explained this, as well as our belief that the appeal should be admissible, to the FIA International Court of Appeal. It nonetheless decided that our appeal was inadmissible. We will now concentrate on the remaining four races of the 2008 Formula 1 season."
Lewis Hamilton said:
"People will probably expect me to be depressed about today's result, but that isn't me. All I want to do now is put this matter behind me and get on with what we drivers do best: racing each other. We're racers, we're naturally competitive, and we love to overtake. Overtaking is difficult, and it feels great when you manage to pull off a great passing manoeuvre. If it pleases the spectators and TV viewers, it's better still. So I'm disappointed, yes, but not depressed."
23rd September 2008
Tuesday 23rd September, 2008: The FIA International Court of Appeal has announced today that it has found Vodafone McLaren Mercedes' appeal in respect of the penalty awarded to Lewis Hamilton after the Belgian Grand Prix on September 7th to be inadmissible.
Martin Whitmarsh (Chief Operating Officer, McLaren Group) said:
"We are naturally disappointed with today's verdict, and to have received no ruling on the substance of our appeal. No-one wants to win Grands Prix in court; but we felt that Lewis had won the Belgian Grand Prix, on track, in an exciting and impressive manner. Our legal team and witnesses calmly explained this, as well as our belief that the appeal should be admissible, to the FIA International Court of Appeal. It nonetheless decided that our appeal was inadmissible. We will now concentrate on the remaining four races of the 2008 Formula 1 season."
Lewis Hamilton said:
"People will probably expect me to be depressed about today's result, but that isn't me. All I want to do now is put this matter behind me and get on with what we drivers do best: racing each other. We're racers, we're naturally competitive, and we love to overtake. Overtaking is difficult, and it feels great when you manage to pull off a great passing manoeuvre. If it pleases the spectators and TV viewers, it's better still. So I'm disappointed, yes, but not depressed."
it might have been the nerves though and, as i wasn't there, i can only go on what they peole have reported
on the other hand, i did say this would happen the other day, asking the wrong guy, disputing the actual charge, trying to wriggle out of it using big words and by applying rules in different circumstances don't really help their cause
last 5 laps, drive through penalty = 25 second added to the time
drive through penalties cannot be contested
calling it a time penalty just made them out to be chancers of the highest order, i'd be looking to find a new legal team if this is what they are wasting their money on
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