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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 09:22 PM
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In average speed check areas in the uk, there is 1 huge flaw that will never be fixed. It was in the paper not so long ago, and it said if you change lanes during the check, it loses your car. The government admitted this and said "we rely on the fact that no road users will take this information and misuse it."
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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 09:24 PM
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not sure about that as i thought it was done on number plates?
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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 09:25 PM
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It's completely fool proof and 100% true, i wouldn't mention it if i had any doubts
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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 09:27 PM
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apparntly yes this is correct for the old style yellow ones, but the new ones will now still get ya.....
feeling lucky?? lol

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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 09:28 PM
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nah, they wont, just jump out and cover your reg with a towel
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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 09:29 PM
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This was on the papers ages ago - at least a year I'd recon.

Deffo would not take a chance on it anymore, or even back when it was first announced.

Not worth the risk me thinks.

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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 09:29 PM
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only ones that aint got to worry about it is motorbikes imho!
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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 09:30 PM
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i have to say it, its very true.

if you change the lanes, the cameras cannot detect your approximate speed.

as soon as i drive through the first one, i either change lane straight away, or wait til i can see the second one in the distance, then get in to a different lane.

Lee and i know someone who used to work for the speed camera enforcement agency, and this is a genuine flaw in the system.
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I'd still do it and say i was running from Gary glitter
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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 09:33 PM
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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 09:33 PM
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fuck em, the front number plate fell off my van a few weeks ago

ps, i still do the lane change thing too
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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 09:34 PM
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i thought they said this did not effect it as it had one camera per lane and they are all connected together, maby it is to get you to seed and change lane to stitch you up. lol
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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 09:34 PM
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It's still a good idea, just make sure you have a lane to switch into before you attempt it.
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Originally Posted by mechanic28
only ones that aint got to worry about it is motorbikes imho!
I love speed camera's when im out on my bike

tbh I bet the goverement hate it...the fastest things on the roads that are more prone to speeding and all of their forward facing camera's are useless
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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 11:05 PM
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I just do over 190mph in my 306 diesel turbo

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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 11:12 PM
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I Work with people who do maintenance on these specs cameras and the new version of the camera can work out what lane you are in as the images are all digital covering all lanes, so the only way to get around this is have different size number plates as tthe automatic number plate recongnition will not work.

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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 11:14 PM
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I know a sure fire way to get around it
dont fookin speed
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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by orion_crazy_carl
I know a sure fire way to get around it
dont fookin speed
this is also a good method!
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Originally Posted by orion_crazy_carl
I know a sure fire way to get around it
dont fookin speed
How long has my mum been called Carl and also when did she buy an Orion and sign up to PF?
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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 11:21 PM
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I must admit, I do the lane changing thing "just in case", but I also don't speed through em. I only do it to be on the safe side, just incase I lose track of speed, as sometimes you slow down and speed up depending on the traffic around you.....

Personally, I think the average speed camera's are the best way to stop motorists speeding as it DOES work - the vast majority will slow to the designate speed when entering the area covered by the camera's and stay at or under that limit untill out of it... Whereas gatso speed camera's, everony just slows to the limit for the camera, then nails it off afterwards
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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 11:29 PM
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tbh, most of the time most people do the speed limit in all the lanes so it hard to speed most of the time.
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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 11:56 PM
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Get a bike and put your finger up or cover your eyes under the dark visor you are wearing!!!

None of them can zap you from the front!

Its especially brilliant coming out of London on a Friday afternoon (wet or not!!) when some idiot has hit some other idiot up the arse causing a 2 mile minger!

You can't average 50 miles an hour through a massive build up, but its fun trying!!
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Originally Posted by cossie604
I love speed camera's when im out on my bike

tbh I bet the goverement hate it...the fastest things on the roads that are more prone to speeding and all of their forward facing camera's are useless


shame i can't stick my hand over the rear plate on my car
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Old Sep 6, 2008 | 06:34 AM
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This was merely a software upgrade that was fixed nearly a year ago, at the time the statement was made it was factually correct, but not when the programme aired months later.
They are used more as a way of tracking "flagged" persons whereabouts/activities catching spedeers is a side issue so they don't get accused of infringing human rights laws about snooping on individuals.
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Old Sep 6, 2008 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by tabetha
This was merely a software upgrade that was fixed nearly a year ago, at the time the statement was made it was factually correct, but not when the programme aired months later.
They are used more as a way of tracking "flagged" persons whereabouts/activities catching spedeers is a side issue so they don't get accused of infringing human rights laws about snooping on individuals.
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No, it was nothing to do with software. The SPECS cameras have always been able to monitor all three lanes. The reason for the loophole was Home Office Approval, or rather lack of it. It's still unclear as to whether the loophole has been closed as the Home Office refuse to issue the data, even under the Freedom of Information act - I know, I've been asking for it! They claim that it could release "commercially sensitive data" - which is clearly bullshit for them not wanting it to be made public that the devices aren't 'that' accurate, and that due to the wild differences in speeds recorded across three lanes (the further away, the slower the recorded speed) that they probably don't have Home Office Approval for monitoring the same car over three lanes.

Because SPECS will record different speeds for the same car traveling at the same speed in different lanes it is simply too inaccurate to be reliable.

Me, I watch my speed, AND change lanes.
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Old Sep 6, 2008 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by DanW@FastFord
No, it was nothing to do with software. The SPECS cameras have always been able to monitor all three lanes. The reason for the loophole was Home Office Approval, or rather lack of it. It's still unclear as to whether the loophole has been closed as the Home Office refuse to issue the data, even under the Freedom of Information act - I know, I've been asking for it! They claim that it could release "commercially sensitive data" - which is clearly bullshit for them not wanting it to be made public that the devices aren't 'that' accurate, and that due to the wild differences in speeds recorded across three lanes (the further away, the slower the recorded speed) that they probably don't have Home Office Approval for monitoring the same car over three lanes.

Because SPECS will record different speeds for the same car traveling at the same speed in different lanes it is simply too inaccurate to be reliable.

Me, I watch my speed, AND change lanes.
Spot on And I do the same
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Old Sep 6, 2008 | 12:24 PM
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One thing to note, As you approach the camera's the do not necessarily work in sequence as you approach them 1, 2, 3, 4 etc, They could be the first, 2nd a dummy, 3rd, 4th, 5th a dummy,
So in that scenario you changing lane between 1 and 2 then back again for 3 has done nothing to help you 'get away with it',
Easiest solution is dont speed, not hard and stops you looking a twat when your trying to be a clever cunt
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Old Sep 6, 2008 | 12:35 PM
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he loophole was closed ages ago, but i regulalrly see peole spanking it thorugh the roadworkds on the M1 and think "you twats" and carry on at or just below 50 mph

the other day i went up to junction 24 from junction 1 and the guy who overtook me at junction 3 was 5 cars ahead of me when i came off so he really made loads of time
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Old Sep 6, 2008 | 12:40 PM
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I do the changing lanes thing but what I also try to do is when approaching the camera try and sit right up a juggernaughts arse to shield you from the camera (thats if there is one available!)
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Originally Posted by Big G
stops you looking a twat when your trying to be a clever cunt
now i just love watching people do that.
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Old Sep 6, 2008 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dave cos4x4
now i just love watching people do that.
See them every week inbetween Carlisle and Gretna, weaving in and out like legends only to end up stuck behind someone and gained 3metres, 3 points and Ł60 lighter by the end of the roadworks,
Numpty legends at their finest
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i thought this only worked on the 3 lanes one and not the 2 lanes????
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Old Sep 6, 2008 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Thrifty94
In average speed check areas in the uk, there is 1 huge flaw that will never be fixed. It was in the paper not so long ago, and it said if you change lanes during the check, it loses your car. The government admitted this and said "we rely on the fact that no road users will take this information and misuse it."
you will see cars constantly changing lanes all over the uk now although I wouldnt risk it. Just remember with great power comes great responsibillity lol
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Originally Posted by cossie604
How long has my mum been called Carl and also when did she buy an Orion and sign up to PF?
ive gotta be the adult here aint i
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Old Sep 7, 2008 | 11:31 AM
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my dad does it, and he never gets caught, and i have been told that this cannot be fixed, it will cost far too much to uproot all the old cameras in the country.
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There seems to be a misconception that it's the cameras that do the grunt work - the cameras aren't intelligent in a SPECS system. They're basically digital video cameras, that are connected back to a computer that watches all the live feeds from the cameras. It's that computer that does the hard work of recognising the number plate (and notifying an operator if it can't read it), and calculating the number plate's average speed across the trap.

The system can follow you across as many lanes as there are cameras over the road, be that 1, 2, 4 or 8. It's simply that it's only approved for use for tracking 'a' car down one lane.

I also like watching the numpties in their M3s and such trying to disappear off into the distance because they're obviously better than the rest of us 'only doing 50', only to get held up again.
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Old Sep 7, 2008 | 11:59 AM
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put your rear plate on a hinge and use a electric areal to drop and rase it and a button on the dash to controle it job done
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Just drive fairly close behind a lorry. cant get you then.
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I always thought the loophole was the middle pedal
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