Need some ideas please folks...... How am i gonna make this fit?
should I fabricate a bracket of some sort?
I am painting the cam cover after btw....



Are there any better dampers out there for the job. I'm trying to keep the 500 theme (turbo, damper, inlet 8 injectors etc) so would prefer to use the 500 damper.

Anyone got any pics of this done before?

Any advice appreciated.

Cheers,
Jim

 

I would imagine you'd need to fabricate one to fit the YBP head/cover....

 

custom dampers brackets are quiet shit i had to have one made for my turbo and dosnt dampen anything

 

500 theme wit a YBP cover ?? Not very 500 !! lol

But that looks the t*ts !! Think a 500 damper would spoil it !! I like the one Karl does, but thats on a standard cover, Martin would deffo be able to sort ya something tho & look as good as the rest of the engine !!

Really really likin the look of that !!

jb

 

weld damper bracket to the head like Rainbirds

 

Cut off bracket from 2wd head, weld on to YBP head, job jobbed (care of your BFG ).

 

Cheers Mike

 

How about welding a lug onto the cam cover?
dont want to risk making a mess of the head, it cost too much.

Jim

 

pay someone else to do it then, that way if they fuck it up they're liable

 

yeah, but still dont wanna risk it....

 

Sorry for being off topic, but whats the 3 aeroquip fittings on turbo? 2x water, 1x oil ?


Engine looks smart mate

 

Would look gash in my opinion, just get the BFG to do it the same as he did mine . Unfortunately means stripping head off to do properly....

Obviously you could make a hanger that mounts on the cam cover bolts, but I don't like them as they look too after market in my opinion. I like mine, as it looks factory fit .

 

how is this maybe the one you got made was but all them wont be

 

Fabricated a bracket out of ally, had it welded on and the whole thing sprayed up. Very happy with it. Its an old damper on at the mo, will be getting a new one soon.

Pics dont do it justice, but you get the idea . what d'ya think?

 

that looks great. looks like its suppose to be there. top job

 

As said in the thread Jim looks quality.

 

Just keep an eye out for it cracking mate, its thin soft ally with the brace hangine off it....if it fractures you have oil on your turbo for sure...just keep an eye on it would be my recommendation.

Superb craftsmanship though

Dan

 

Very neat! Have you got a picture of how it was put on, and smoothed etc?!

 

omg that looks awsome !!!

 

That looks awesome but I would say recipe for disaster. Not convinced the cam cover is strong enough to hold that and like said above that last thing you want is it cracking as its got engine fire written all over it.

Top work though. It looks bloody great. I love it when people think different and come up with a new design!

 

Thanks for the comments all.... i here what your saying and i will keep an eye on it. I think tho (hope lol) that its been made so it covers enough surface area to spread the load. It also covers the bend of the cam cover which i would think would be a bit stronger (hope).

Only time will tell...

Thanks again

 

Seriously I dont think "keeping an eye on it" or saying "only time will tell" is the right thing!!! Stunning engine and stunning car from your sig. Dont waste them!

 

mmmm you've got me thinking now

what to do

 

engine looks top! but im agreeing with polly on this does look like a nice factory job tho!

 

It looks amazing , but I would have the same concerns as has been posted .

 

does yout bonnet shut?

it dont touch the top of the aero fittin on the rear of the cam cover?

 

Yeah there is loads of room mate.

Cheers Mike, seriously thinking of going back to the drawing board

 

Just to save you going to such an "extreme" length of binning it, how about just stripping the finish off and using it in an unfinished state and regularly die-penning it to see if it is going to start cracking.

I know it is a risk, but if it starts getting small stress cracks BEFORE (if) it fails completely, you should be able to pick these up pretty quickly?

At the end of the day it is your engine, and I wouldn't want to suggest anything that may cause a fire , but it looks so good that I would be trying anything that was acceptibly safe to retain it (perhaps a flat metal shield can be temporarily rigged up or the manifold could be heat-wrapped just to protect it from a worse case scenario). Plus carry a fuck-off big extinguisher in the car just in case?

 

do you have any pics of it before it was painted and tidied up?

 

You have a very valid point mate. Fire is not somthing i wanna risk.... at all.
Think this cover maybe spending the rest of its days on the mantel piece as an ornament gutted.

No mate, something i should have done but didn't for some reason.
slipped my mind.

 

my concerns are without knowing exactly what alloy the cam cover is made from it is impossible to specify the correct filler wire, also due to the welding process it will have locally annealed the area, resulting in hard bit-soft bit-hard bit which is very likelly to crack, although i would guess that it would litrally snap the weld and not the cam cover, ideally you need to know exactly what filler wire then have it heat treated after weld.

my suggestion would be to machine two holes that run from the inside of the camcover into the main body of the support and then screw in a couple of counter sunk bolts

 

Been thinking bout this a lot since reading this thread and i have taken all the concerns about the integrity of the cam cover under load as a serious concern. Then i thought this... the original RS500 T4 damper is a friction damper (am i wrong?)

so.. forces on that part of the bracket should have been diminished by the damping of the RS500 damper.?! (again, am i wrong?)

Anyone remember DESERT STORM? correct me if im wrong, but did that
motor not have a damper welded to the cam cover? (not a ybp i know)

What i really need is the tec boys on here who know about force/ sq. inch to have a look at it and make a calculated dicision.

Any engineers on here care to take a look? all expenses paid. PM me.

Cheers,
Jim.

 

I see your point mate, the welder i used is the bollox so not worried bout his welding (30 years at Bentley). your advice bout the bolts is what i said to my engine builder. He said yeah, its a great idea but do i really want screws inside my cam cover that could, potentially come loose? i said no.

 

If you stop the oil from getting on the exhaust in some way in the event of a catastrophic failure (as described above) and monitor it extremely carefully, then that is all you can do, as it is not going to be a crack caused by pressure / weight, but in my opinon - vibration / harmonics from the exhaust transferred into the damper.

 

the ex. manifold is ceramic coated mike, as is the turbo housing. Would that keep it cool enough?

 

I don't think it will, so I would make a catch tray and bolt it to the manifold, along with some heatwrap just to sure.

 

Could you not put a spot of weld onto the bolts? Its not like they need to come off again is it.


Just a thought.

 

but you could either use some thread lock and centre dot round the heads of the screws or use keen inserts, like heli-coils but have a mechanical lock, that are a right bastard to remove once in

 

do as mike says & just keep an eye on it. would be a shame to not use it as it does look so good

 

so do some of the chickboys in bangkok (sp) but you wouldnt say the same about them.

End of the day dude, it looks good but can potentially be catastrophic....so weigh it up. In my thoughts it's a no brainer; get rid and start again, maybe following mikes idea of welding a 2wd bracket on the side of the head, or have your welder fab you up a piece of plate, you know the heads strong enough there as the 2wd heads were like that from factory.

Could you live with yourself is one day it ripped a hole in your cam cover and spewed oil over a glowing turbo housing costing you your car? becasue I doubt it'd be easy to put out and damage would almost certainly be massive.

Dan