...if you was looking to buy a car and you had it down to 2,which would you choose and why.....REMEMBER ITS JUST THESE 2 CARS FORGET ANYTHING ELSE!

Noble M12 GTO 3R (352bhp)
Ultima GTR (400bhp)

..now i cant afford a ultima with a 720bhp engine but apparently you can get one for circa 10k....this is leading me to this car starting price around 32k but the noble starting at 25k...i want a road car to blow my mind,not an everyday car so mpg/reliability aint too important (i own an f-car and Ducati remember) ROFL ..i love my E55 and could just tune that but i feel the need for outrageous.

..try not to hate its a serious topic and apologies if you have jealousy in you that causes you to post negatively..i dont mean to wind you section up....infact have you tried the block feature or is it a love to hate routine?

 

oooooooooh i think the Noble is Prettier..... but the ultima is rarer!!!

so i guess, if you could find an ultima in a pretty colour youd be on to a winner in my books!

 

i LOVE the look of nobles and the noise they make is awesome!

BUT i've heard horror reliability stories and there are at least 2 people on pf who've had one and had problems.

I think i'd still prefer it tho

 

ultima all day long

ugly as sin, but so much more of a car for the cash.

 

Ryan,you aint seen my missus ROFL

 

Noble for me. Always liked them and think the M12 is the nicest shape. Have seen one in the flesh as well and imo, its an astonishing road car for the road

 

Nobles are common in the grand scheme of things, in fact so much so that I was stood 10 foot from one on friday and didnt even bother to look at it, but if it was an ultima though, Id have been really interested in it.

For round a track, I reckon I would take the noble, but for scaring you shitless and making an impression, Ultimate all day long.

 

ultima for me.

 

the noble all the way, at least you can use it on the road, the gtr you won't be able to run on the street etc as a normal car

 

Noble For Me Phil

 

It's going to be cheaper to buy a life size poster that you can nail to your garage wall, it's not like you will ever drive it!

Maybe get two posters one for each side?

 

ultima for me! i dont care if they are ugly, they certainly attract attention especially when painted bright yellow... see

 

Because a lot of the Ultimas are home built, I would need to know the full spec on one before making a decision. I would really want a high spec factory one and then it would be be no competition. But I would chose the Noble over a poorly specced / built Ultima.

 

Maybe Phil should buy a kit and build one, he likes DIY stuff IIRC

Would you be happy to topspeed test it for him at brunters with a 750bhp 572CI motor in it if he does, as I suspect he wont want to himself

 

...tell me are the 352bhp nobles quick mike?...ie would i be dissapointed from the amg?

 

The 352 noble would walk all over your Merc everywhere except a motorway.

Probably a much more "sensible" option than the Ultima, so depends on what you want from a car really?

The noble WONT scare you in a straight line, a top spec ultima will.

 

Noble everytime, couldnt live with a car i thought was ugly however quick it was

 

Phil,
Just work out the power to weight, the Noble is around 1000kg, so has 352bhp per tonne. What does your barge weight - 1800kg? Even with 500bhp, that is only 277bhp per tonne .

I would be looking for a well specced factory built Ultima with APs and the Porsche gearbox.

 

Noble!

 

the noise from a noble is emmensce but i would have the ultima over it

 

...mike do you know how the m400 makes more power???..is it just more boost or is the 3litre not reliably tunable?

 

Ultima,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbkRv...eature=related

 

ultima for everything including the looks!

it look proper hardcore

 

..looking at that it is fooking ugly!

 

Its, Loud, its attention seeking, its ugly.

Hmm, I wonder if it would suit you......

 

...i think more you than me!

 

Built an ultima with my uncle and no i was not just the spanner boy either,

Bloody hard work, brough the full kit and the engine came from a guy in the states, 550bhp and run in for Ł7.5k!!

Gearbox came from a boxter S.

Build one phil it will be more rewarding than buying one thats already done, pm if you need anymore details.

 

the M10 and M12 used the ford box
the M15 uses a noble box as it's got a totaly different layout so you can put more power through

 

God how many times can you tell someone you have an AMG,

im surprised you haven't tried to get pregnant after finding out how much attention that pregnant transsexual bloke in the usa is getting

Noble btw... better car imho

 

who's got an amg?
better not get me pregnant

 

 

...that looks nice Matt..i guess certain angles it dont look so nice.....not sure TBH which one..LOL...

 

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so niiiiice

 

From the front they are fugly lol....but from side on the look the nuts, do it you wont regret it!

 

Ultima, You shouldn't have to ask!

 

..i wouldnt build one myself TBH...my DIY aint brilliant at times

 

Build your own Ultima

I REALLY don't think you have any idea how utterly SHITE Nobles are.... I used to LOVE them and even considered one as they are blindingly quick on track out of the box. (Shame they don't have sump baffles as standard... so even a moderately quick driver WILL fuck the engine on track!!)

I know 3 people that have owned Nobles. One of them said it made his TVR Tuscan seem well built, well designed and reliable.... now THATS scary....

 

Forgot to add, you cant go wrong building it as all the boxes come numbered when they are delivered, when you finish one lot you get the next batch delieverd.........

Also the technical bit on pistonheads with these in is an absolutes gold mine for ideas and easy way around any problems that come up.

 

Lots of votes for building one then.

You always go on about how you like DIY on cars, so now is your chance to do the ULTIMATE project as a DIY mechanic

Go for it

 

the ultima looks good from all angles imo.... love the looks