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I find this incomprehensibly shocking and unbeliveable!

Training or not, you don't just stand by watching someone drown, let alone a child!

And as the police office who spoke on record said, not being able to swim was NOT an option for police officers enroling in the force!

Need to fuck these "Police Community Support Officers" off and get REAL bobbies back on the beat!

 

It was Toy Police - Community Support Officers - They are as good as mobile Hi Viz vests

Labours answer to more getting "police" on the streets

 

here fucking here

all they do is try to nick motorists and they can't little wanabes who couldn't pass the exams. total waste of tax payers money

the other day I was in traffic and the CSO was watching school kids fucking about on a crossing after the lights went green and the CSO did nothing.

 

CSOs are useless and pointless, nobodys got any respect for them, they know that too so dont even try n do stuff.

TBH tho, isnt CSO just a new name for "specials"? They were even more lame, fucking pretend policemen, used to deliberatly act up around them just as they cant do shit, so if anything they make shit worse.

 

I don't think this is anything to do with PCSOs really though.

Irrespective of your job, what human being stands there and lets a kid drown without at least trying to save him?

Wont hear any argument from me against PCSOs though! Pojntless.

 

I remember a PCSO asked me if I was old enough to drive my car, I replied with 'If I'm not are you thinking of chasing after me on your bike?'. There nothing but a joke.

 

the police are just not interested these days

a few months back my sister pulled up on her drive after coming home from work to see a shadow walk past her bedroom window, she phoned her bf to see if it was him and it wasnt, so she phoned the police and told them that there was a burgular in the house. After 45 mins the police turned up, and low and behold the burgular had gone, like i said they aint interested if they have to get there hands dirty

 

thats crazy, where they the only adults there as im sure id jump in same as most

 

fucking useless cunts

any normal person would've dived straight in

 

I aint no special constable but i have saved 2 kids from drowning in my 37 years on this earth, one my cousin the other an un-known kid.
Both thier parents were very grateful, but not as much as me because i know in my heart that 2 kids are still walking today alive and well.

 

CSO's are fat people who failed the fitness tests for the police force

 

to play devils advocate here, they were community officers, so were basically voluntters and were working for free.

plus the "pond" was 6ft deep and would have had weeds and sludge at the bottom which could have caught the officers under water!

if i have ever done anything that meant overlooking events and such like, i have always been told "above all else, make sure you are safe before attempting to save others"...


my true opinion is that its Health & Safety gone mad! they would have probably got a kicking in the office the next day if they had jumped in as they did not have "appropriate training"... they did what they did because of procedure and a messed up system that meant they were as good as walking radio's with HI-vis jackets on... IIRC they cant arrest anyone... it has to be under a citizens arrest! which is as good a saying "oi... stop..."

 

Regardless of whats at the bottom or what could happen to you, you still jump in and help!!

Thats what the kid did.. he saved his sister life at the cost of his own.. he had more balls than any wannabe waste of space cop!

 

[quote="Nick."]Regardless of whats at the bottom or what could happen to you, you still jump in and help!!

just what i was gonna say

 

exactly im sorrybut you need actual police on the beat not 3 levels of wannabes before them!!
my car broke down at a roundabout,so i called the aa,i got a tap on window as i was calling them from a pcso saying i couldnt just stop to make a call!!!!there were bits of my diff trailing behind the car!!

regardless of training they should have been proactive,no way is a police force gonna sack people after saving lives!i was saved in france by 2 fisherman in the sea when i was a kid and am forever grateful!

 

Shocking that any adult could stand and watch a child down in those circumstances, its not like there was a massive current or anything, Im positive I would have risked it and jumped in.

 

I was thinking the same thing yesterday when i sore it on the news
Its a pond ffs not a river or sea so the risk would have been low for a adult i would have goon in no matter whot Poor kid

 

should of foned up and said there some cunt in my house and if your not here in 5 mins im going to shoot the cunt theyd be there in a hurry

 

Said on the news that the kid was not visible when they arrived and was underwater somewhere. Also said they only had 2 fishermen pointing roughly at a spot in the lake to guide them......kind of begs the question, why didn't the fishermen help when he was still visible if they watched him go under??

Was like that one on Police Camera Action the other night - those 2 guys jumped in the harbour but they didn't know where to look - the guy was dead by the time the fireman fished him out.

 

These PCSO's are absolute arseholes. When I rode in London to work every day these cunts knocked me off my bike and left me in the middle of the road while they just drove off without stopping or probably even seeing me

 

FAGGOT CSO's...you can imagine that flapping their arms in the pond FAFFING around with thier limp wrists

 

I must correct you !

Specials are volunteers !

PCSO's are employed

Quote taken from police website

Basic pay.
The variation of salaries across the country is relatively wide, ranging from Lincolnshire's minimum salary of c. Ł13,000 to Hertfordshire's maximum of c. Ł24,500. Indeed, the gap between the highest and lowest minimum salary is c. Ł7,000,

 

there were fishermen there too, why didnt they jump in?

sorry, but if i would of been there i'd of been wet

 

everyones blaming the toytown coppers, but how many of you would be comending them if they'd died while trying to rescue the kids?
i haven't been in a swimming pol since i left middle school, some 20+ years ago, so even though i can technically swim, i can't say i would have been able to swim today

different people, differnt situations, different times

everyone would have done something different

 

thats what i was tryingto say in my earlier post... its quite easy to say "they should have" but we dont know the full story... why did the fishermen save the girl with their rods and not wade in?? could both the PCSO's swim? and are all the reports unbiased?? plenty of questions to know the answers to before im gonna point a finger atleast...

they didnt do nothing, they were radioing for backup - admittedly this was as good as noithing, but again, could they swim... if not thats all they could do really as they woul have been submerged...

 

That's exactly what I thought - they helped the girl out but it would have been a lot more helpful for them ( knowing where the boy was as they watched him go under according to reports ) to have had a go at fishing him out as well rather than wait until the PCSOs arrived and just point at the spot in the water where he was last seen.

Harsh? Yes, very without knowing the FULL FACTS! I wasn't there so have just got the same reports as everyone else had i.e the boy was not visible when the PCSOs turned up. Everyone seems quick to point the fingers without knowing EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.....just like that incident outside the nightclub in Hull or wherever ....all those heroes berating the officers for not diving in WHEN THEY HAD WATCHED HIM JUMP IN THEMSELVES AND DONE NOTHING .......

 

 

If there not trained to do all the things we need from a police officer then it begs the question, what the fuck are they doing on are streets?

 

regardless, you don't take on a job like that unless your prepared to step out and put yourself at risk for someone else.

we had trouble here a few weeks back with a bunch of youths outside which all kicked off, couple of pcso's turned up a few days later to be told theres nothing they can do "we don't work past 5pm" wtf does crime stop at 5pm then does it?

 

I like how all these people say "I would have" or "he should have" but until you are in the situation and experience it for yourself you dont know what you will or wont do. I dont have a lot of love for the coppers but they are not to blame here.

This a qutoe from BBC website, I think these points in bold font need addressed.

"Jordon died after going into the Wigan pond to rescue his step-sister in May.

An inquest heard that Jordon leapt into the water at John Pit Pond after eight-year-old Bethany got into difficulties as they collected tadpoles.

He was trying to support Bethany as she struggled in the 6ft-deep water before slipping from view.

Two anglers waded in and pulled Bethany to safety using their rods but Jordon became submerged.

The alarm was raised and the CSOs arrived. Police said they could see no sign of Jordon in the water, so they radioed trained officers for help.

Two unattended children where in a pond upto six foot deep collecting tadpoles. Two Anglers had to pull the girl to safety using a fishing rod which must mean they where out a fair bit. The CSO's arrived at the scene after the boy was submerged.

Much like the McCanns I think these parents have a hell of a lot to answer for and are trying to shift blame onto the police. Yes they should have gone in but I for one wouldnt let my son or daughter into a pond/lake unattended especially when they are less than 11 years old and dont have any common sense yet.

The lad showed bravery in going in and should be remembered for that and not used as a political gain.

 

Got to ask what part did the parents play in all this, i wouldn't be letting my 10/8 year olds out unless i know EXACTLY where they are, and the media for showing the grieving parents calling the 5-oh without the full facts being known.

No point diving in a murky pond when you cant see what your going in for

 

werent they community support officers??? And i think u also missed out the part where he was under water and they couldnt see him??? so if u cudnt see a kid and apparently he was in there would u go diving in head first for u to poss drown urself?

Very sad either way though

Crowds.

 

Being 36 years of age I dare say I could be considered an adult, I am incredibly scared of water, this along with the fact that I can not swim myself would mean that I would mot certainly not jump in.. For me the risk would have been great and rather than allowing rescuers to focus on the Children I would have simply been an additional burden.

Its the parents responsibility for knowing where their kids are and to ensure they are safe, if a 8 year old is playing on train tracks, its inappropriate to be critical of the police for not jumping in front of a train to save the child... Where are the parents !!!

PCSO's can depending upon where they work, carry a great deal of kit including stab proof vests which I dare say can not be easy to swim in... everyone makes it sound as if they sat there, watching and did absolutely nothing at all to assist or resolve the matter which is not the case.
The PCSO main role is to communicate with the public. Many community's do not trust the police and this is why the PCSO has limited powers to reassure people that they are not going to get in trouble or involved when reporting crime.

 

brave fella

 

Apparently they could not see the child and he was fully under the water when they arrived. How true this is we dont know, but im sure they wouldn t have just stood by and watch if they could have done something.

Do people really think that if they saw a child drowning, they would not have jumped in and tried to save him?

Surely its a natural reaction for ANY human being.

 

I would love to know why they was on their own at such a young age?

 

To be honest i disagree with alot of comments that have been made on this subject.

Im sure if you see the child in difficulty in front of you,then quite rightly most would go in.
BUT
These community cops have turned up on scene to a huge lake,with a body somewhere underneath,where would you start?????Surely its very similar to finding a needle in a haystack???

I personally am a paramedic,if i would have turned up i dont think i would have gone in,cos it is such a vast area to cover underwater,you dont know whats at the bottom,weeds etc,plus your gunna be clothed,has anyone tried swimming in clothes???It is not easy.This water is very deep.

So if it was an ambulance crew that turned up first and neither myself or my crewmate jumped in,would you be just as annoyed at us for not going in???

 

Fair play aaron147that one hell of a job you guys do, when I got knocked of my bike the ambulance crew that turnt up was awesome and took great care of me, can't speak highly enough of how I was treated.
I could not even begin to consider the things you must have seen in your working life... everyday fukin hero, can't say it enough