Just bought another Cossie with a really old skool setup of RS500 8 inj but 8 standard blues (4x4),T35,water injection,Pectel boost controller, 4x4 i/c with modded outlet for RS500 throttle body size,7.5:1 GGR engine & GGR mapped, spoke to Alistair Mayne at GGR(as he knows the car well) who quoted around 400bhp but this was all built 9 yrs ago so quite sometime ago,only done about 25k miles since build in 1998. It feels a bit flat compared with my old 3dr which was around 350bhp, just been out & had a play with Cossie4i (Steve) on here & from 50mph up i just could'nt keep with him ,his is 2wd & about 380-390bhp from memory.

Also noticed on mine that it boosts upto 1.45bar but by 6000rpm its 1.2bar, GGR said it should run about 1.7 bar. I'm in kent so don't really want to go to GGR as its too far, i've used Paul Hills on my old cars but fancy a change.

So after all that waffle are Torque of the Devil anygood, all i'm wanting really is a boost & fuel check/setup.

Cheers Simon.

 

Its soooooooo slow

Steve.

 

Can we have another play when its raining think i would be ok then

Simon.

 

they seem to have a good reputation yeh fella

 

Mines not got that much power

Its only 371.7bhp

Steve.

 

and the .7 bhp makes all the difference

 

bigger turbo,bigger injectors.

 

It does indeed

Every little bit helps

Steve.

 

so true fella oh so true!!!

 

Dave cos 4x4, yes it would be nice to fit eight greens & T38 or whatever turbo would match 8 greens, a 500 i/cooler & remap but i don't want to chuck a load of cash at it tbh, not really liking 4x4 after 2wd,2wd much more fun.

Simon.

 

And a bigger cooler.

Steve.

 

any pics of the new one Simon

 

I keep telling him about getting a bigger intercooler as well

Steve.

 

cossie4i u r running light blues aint u?what cams u running bd14 inlet?

 

no way a 4x4 ic can do 400bhp surely!!!!

 

Well the ACT's can't be high because the water injection is mapped to come in at certain ACT's & boost & the water level hasn't moved since i filled it up when i got it, according to GGR they spent many hours at Bruntingthorpe mapping this car so everything is setup to run with the standard i/c, a quote ''to avoid the deadly detonation,GGR recommended fitting water injection''. It only runs the 4x4 cooler as it has aircon.

Just reading through all the paper work (£41500 of invoices & i'm not kidding,all GGR & some early ones Collins) its got a Bosch uprated 150 litres fuel pump, is that the same as a 044 pump ?

Simon.

 

£41500?!

With a proper ic you shouldnt need Wi unless you're on track perhaps

 

chris todds new hang out, my mate just had his s1 set up there and is well happy

 

Chop, i agree i would'nt choose to run a 4x4i/c, my last Cossie had a 500i/c but the guy who had this car from new until 2005 spent a fortune on it & he wanted aircon so had it retro fitted by Alpineair in London so i suppose he obviously instructed GGR to keep the aircon & that limits the size of i/c you can fit so yes their was an issue with det with the standard cooler that why Wi was installed because a bigger i/c wasn't an option.

Simon.

 

shut up chop toys are good well i like them

but ur right lol
i think it could certainly could handle more boost with a check of coarse and chris todd is your man

 

hi simon i not with you that you say he said there was det prob with the standard cooler surely it would be down to ignition and fueling ? water injection is a good thing if used correctly but use to combat det is a bit pikey if you ask me

but hey get it to torque of the devil let chris work his stuff

 

When the original owner took it GGR in 1998 it had a misfire,the engine that was in it was from an RS500,everything 8inj T4 etc all fitted by Collins engineering at 6 months old at a cost of £7k . The bill from GGR after diagnosing the whole engine was scrap & building a new one incl mapping & water inj etc was £10990 & that was 9yrs ago so i can't see it being a pikey job

Simon.

 

lol ok then simon but using water injection to mask det is not the way to go thats all i was saying but like i say chris will sort it out

 

Yes i use 400s

I have standard cams but do have a bit of head porting.

Steve.

 

Dont someone make a 500 cooler so you can keep the aircon, sure ive seen somewhere this is the case for the escort boys.

Steve.

 

what about a charge cooler?

 

Like hell you would, you was a pussy at Brands in the wet. lol





AS for Torque of the Devil,
Chris is good and has the experience and knowledge, Along with one of the Best RR's there is. , which gives true figures, and you get AFR, boost, bhp,lbft fly and wheel graphs.
And he wont take your money and push you out of the door with a over fueling, badly mapped car like EA.
But check he has the software to remap and fully setup your car, if he has then Go there..........................................

Also get a better intercooler on thier. As your just wasteing alot of bhp due to a 4wd inter.

i wouldn't go by the water level to indicate if the ACT's are high, as to many factors, inc if the water inj is working now.
Fit a ecu monitor or a ACT gauge.

 

Yes.

That answers your question without any waffle.

To add a little waffle though: the owner is a total petrol head and [imo] Chris Todd is a very humble and modest legend.

Normally these threads get lots of different people replying with try "X" or "Y" tuners instead. They are the ones that put the camp into tuner camps.

There are other great tuners and I daresay Chris would be the first to say that! But you asked about Torque of the Devil, try them and I bet you won't be disappointed

 

The standard pump flow 168 litres so unless this one does it at a higher pressure its actually a downgrade. 044 flow 200+ litres

 

Why did Chris leave PE ?

 

Heres what Bosch quote for the flow's.
All as new, with good fuel supplie, and full 13.5 volts at pump.

A std cossie external (941) pump will flow 3.1 ltr/min, 186 ltr/hour @ 5 bar
A 044 pump will flow 3.7 ltr/min, 222 ltr/hour @ 5 bar
A 044 pump wll flow 3.25 ltr/min, 195 ltr/hour @ 7 bar

i've tested both std cossie, and 044 pumps, and they all flowed more than Bosch quote.

 

I have recently bought an Escort cossie, i took it to Torque of the devil and Chris fitted and mapped a omex 710 car now feels spot on i'd recommend them

 

A 044 pump will flow 3.7 ltr/min, 222 ltr/hour @ 5 bar
A 044 pump wll flow 3.25 ltr/min, 195 ltr/hour @ 7 bar


Would these not be the wrong way round Dan

 

no mate,

higher pressure = less flow.


a 044 will do 4.4 ltr/min, 264 ltr/hour @ 3 bar.

 

He has a very good reason... TOTD

 

I heard he got caught knocking one out to gay porn in the customer seating area at PE..... whilst a school party was being shown round.... and he carried on!...... even asking their teacher to help...... who was a priest...... in a wheelchair!

That could just be a totally made up rumour though.

Well, it definitely is now.

 

Now THAT is going in my Sig

 

radtec mate
Think its 50mm core, alloy rad and slim fans for £690

 

 

Have you booked it in Simon ?

Steve.