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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 02:36 PM
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please explain!

So you can get 1080p and 1080i... whats this mean exactly?

Whats the best "spec to aim for" and what is normal TV like with digi box too? I'd only want 32inch max

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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 02:36 PM
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And how much difference does it make with the Xbox compared to a "normal" TV
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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 02:37 PM
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Whats a Xbox 3360 ??
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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 02:38 PM
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I might be wrong, but I don't think you can get true 1080p (Progressive) with a TV under 37"??

I don't understand it fully, but it's to do with the way the lines are made up on the screen. 1080p is the best resolution currently available and Progressive is better than Interlaced.

I'm sure someone else can explain more accurately!!
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Seriously tho.... Xbox 360's don't display ture HD as they don't run a HDMI interface.

Have a read on AV Forums, thats where i learnt alot and found my new HDTV
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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 02:44 PM
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1080i is interlaced, which means the picture is made up of 2 scans, 1 consisting of the odd number of lines in the image (lines 1,3,5,7 etc) and the second made up of the even number of lines. (2,4,6,8 etc)

This creates a complete image but in 2 scans.

Progressive displays all the lines in the image at once.

1080P is the best resolution currently on the market
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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 02:46 PM
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So can the Xbox360 run 1080p with the std (premium pack) normal/hd cables

Is there much difference between 1080i and 1080p?

And at what point do you need to get a HDMI cable for them, also how much are they wand where from, microsoft?
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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 02:54 PM
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the other way to explain it is that on some telly's the refresh only moves the pixels that have changed and doens't move the ones that haven't while on the better telly's all the pixels are refreshed every time

and no, the xbox360 can't run 1080p
and no you can't get a hdmi cable for them either
you have to use component cables
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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 02:54 PM
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i really dont know about the xbox, but on the ps3 the image is massively improved with hdmi lead

you dont notice though, unless you change back to normal lead
its amazing


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i hope your xbox lasts longer than mine...2 weeks and its fooked already

i hear sony calling
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Cheers for that aduz Had mine since last december

So what is the most the xbox 360 can run through the component cables and is it worth doing
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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 03:01 PM
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dont think the xbox can run in 1080, may be wrong.

Also as has been said i dont think they do 1080P in anything smaller than a 40¨

Plus u wont see the benefits at that small.

720P will look awesome on 32¨
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Cheers for that aduz Had mine since last december

So what is the most the xbox 360 can run through the component cables and is it worth doing
i've got mine running on the 50" and it looks really good, with the component set up that is

if someone were to give me a ps3 to have and test with loads of games and stuff for free, i'd be quite happy to play that as well for a few hours a week and report on the difference
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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 03:11 PM
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Well the TV will be in my room, hence 32" ideally

So at 32" what is the most the xbox will run at???
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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 03:15 PM
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Dojj PS3 shames the xbox when it comes to the high end graphic stuff.

Resistance - Fall of Man on 1080P is truely stunning on 46¨
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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan
Dojj PS3 shames the xbox when it comes to the high end graphic stuff.

Resistance - Fall of Man on 1080P is truely stunning on 46¨
Yep your right there and on 50 inch with 1930 and 1080p its fantastic

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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by smidsy

and what is normal TV like with digi box too?
Can't comment on the X360 on an LCD as i've only ever played Dogsmoke's on my 32" CRT, which looks good enough to be honest, so must look fantastic in HD.

But watching standard broadcasts (freeview, normal sky etc) on an LCD is fucking horrible, they look really grainy and fuzzy, and both occasions i've seen it they have been on decent LCD's (panny viera 32", and a sony bravia)

I'd still have one though if i could justify paying for a new telly, when i already have a great CRT
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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 04:09 PM
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as said there certainly not as good as a CRT on normal SD 428i signals, but then again, it does have to be seriously upscalled to fill the picture.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 07:15 AM
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Anymore?
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 07:41 AM
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My xbox is running in 1080 mode through a Sony 1080 tv, as Ryan mentioned apparently they don't support that setting but it does change the tv settings when you alter them on the xbox.

The picture is incredible, noticably different from the 480 and 720 settings.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 09:05 AM
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as said the increase from 480i to 720P is massive

and 1080P is even better but only noticed on larger screen on certain types of movies
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan
as said the increase from 480i to 720P is massive

and 1080P is even better but only noticed on larger screen on certain types of movies
Porn in 1080 looks amazing
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 12:34 PM
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan
Resistance - Fall of Man on 1080P is truely stunning on 46¨ :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

..............except for the fact its a 720p game :007: :cry:
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 01:27 PM
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i know they all are i think?

says on the back of the cover
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Very few game will be rendering at a native 1920x1080, if they are then there not going to be doing much. If any game is going to render at 1080 on the ps3 then it will be doing 960x1080 this is to get around the fact that the ps3's internal scaler is a pile of rubbish that can't scale 720 to 1080i properly. On both consoles your better of just setting the output to 720p.

Dojj, as to the ps3 shaming the xbox when it comes to high end graphics just stick with your 360 unless you fancy a cheap blu ray player.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 07:00 PM
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couldn't afford to buy a ps3
nor justify getting one as a blu ray player
or put another shelf up to stick it on

the wife would kill me in any case
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 09:11 PM
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Right I can get a 32" Panasonic HDTV that will do 1080i for £400?
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by smidsy
Right I can get a 32" Panasonic HDTV that will do 1080i for £400?
I'll give you £350....Done!

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