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Old Mar 20, 2007 | 06:13 PM
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Basically im on xp home right now, it does me fine but i like to have all the new stuff so which version should i go for? is there THAT much difference between the 2 entry level packages?
All i do is surf the net, use msn and play games(new games like fear, battlefield 2142 etc) so i dont need any executive tools etc
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Old Mar 20, 2007 | 06:18 PM
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I'd probably go for Home Premium, has Aero and seems to do everything inc Media Centre if you'll use that.

Business seems OK, has Aero, no media centre, but better backup facilities.

Or Ultimate, best of both worlds and not that much more expensive than Home Premium/Business.

The question is though, if your PC supports 64bit hardware wise, do you go for Vista 32 or 64?
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Old Mar 20, 2007 | 06:25 PM
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Wouldnt bother with Vista at all, but thats my personal preference.
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Home Premium would do you.

2 gigs of memory needed for smooth running.
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apparently battlefield wont play properly or at all on vista at the moment i've been told.
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I've heard nigh on 4GB RAM to run the cunt.. No thanks..
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yeah be warned not alot of things will run on it.... i.e. itunes but apparently all will be fixed in a couple of months. Maybe hang on till then......
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Originally Posted by Flip2k3
I've heard nigh on 4GB RAM to run the cunt.. No thanks..
Lies all lies LOL

Runs perfectly well on 1 gig, 512mb gets you by.
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Originally Posted by FastFordChris
apparently battlefield wont play properly or at all on vista at the moment i've been told.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpJeIlG_NXA

And ive got a AMD x2 4200, 2 gigs of ram, 7950GT 512mb graphics card so ive got no problems running vista

Seems like home premium would do me then

For the people saying nothing runs on it, do abit of research, it actually doesnt seem that bad now
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Originally Posted by roybacer
Originally Posted by Flip2k3
I've heard nigh on 4GB RAM to run the cunt.. No thanks..
Lies all lies LOL

Runs perfectly well on 1 gig, 512mb gets you by.
Microsoft themselves only state that 512mb is suitable for Vista Basic with all other versions requiring 1gb

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...uirements.mspx

Considering that this is the same company that believes Windows XP only requires a 233 mhz processor and 64mb of memory it would be fair to say that Vista runs like a three legged dog on its minimum system requirements...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314865
I have 4gb of memory on my Vista box and it runs like a dog compared to the way other operating systems would with this amount of memory available. Vista does nothing new and provides nothing new other than a shiney new set of clothes, when pushed hard with database or large applications such as video editing Vista groans under the strain... its not worth getting
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Originally Posted by UnseenMenace
Originally Posted by roybacer
Originally Posted by Flip2k3
I've heard nigh on 4GB RAM to run the cunt.. No thanks..
Lies all lies LOL

Runs perfectly well on 1 gig, 512mb gets you by.
Microsoft themselves only state that 512mb is suitable for Vista Basic with all other versions requiring 1gb

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...uirements.mspx

Considering that this is the same company that believes Windows XP only requires a 233 mhz processor and 64mb of memory it would be fair to say that Vista runs like a three legged dog on its minimum system requirements...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314865
I have 4gb of memory on my Vista box and it runs like a dog compared to the way other operating systems would with this amount of memory available. Vista does nothing new and provides nothing new other than a shiney new set of clothes, when pushed hard with database or large applications such as video editing Vista groans under the strain... its not worth getting
Think ill leave it after that one comment
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yes there are.

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You will be fine on your spec.
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Originally Posted by Hannah
yeah be warned not alot of things will run on it.... i.e. itunes but apparently all will be fixed in a couple of months. Maybe hang on till then......
errrr had itunes working fine here on vista ultimate since november, what exactly is the problem with it?

Had it running on 512mb DDR 333 with an AMD AthlonXP 2600+ (running @ 2300mhz - equivalent of 3200+) and it was usable. have now upgraded to 1gb and it's sweet as a nut. 4gb my arse

You can run a 50 user SBS server on 4gb quite easily FFS
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Here is what i am running at the moment on this PC - Windows XP buy modded with vista features. It runs very quickly too



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where you get that software rick,it looks good ???


mark
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mark rs

any retail version installed without a key can be used as a base.
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Originally Posted by mark rs
is there any cracked working versions

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Apparently Microsoft had to change the retail box design as the early boxes had the serial number on the box and people were using picture phones to take photos of the number and then downloading the OS from the internet.
Even though the boxes have now been changed people are still doing this with PC's on display in stores and its apprently causing legitimate consumers and Microsoft a lot of problems.

If you want the OS you should buy it or use a free alternative if you do not wish to pay.
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Originally Posted by UnseenMenace
Originally Posted by mark rs
is there any cracked working versions

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Apparently Microsoft had to change the retail box design as the early boxes had the serial number on the box and people were using picture phones to take photos of the number and then downloading the OS from the internet.
Even though the boxes have now been changed people are still doing this with PC's on display in stores and its apprently causing legitimate consumers and Microsoft a lot of problems.

If you want the OS you should buy it or use a free alternative if you do not wish to pay.
Would it not make sense to just put the OEM licence sticker on the back of the PC, or better still on the under side of the tower?

NOTE: i did find a bug today, adobe seem to know all about it but havent been arsed to fix it. when installing Adobe Reader 8.0 from the installer package, it falls over failing to write to temp file. I went through and reset all my security, owndership etc, turned off mcafee and access protection etc etc still no good. had a quick google and adobe say you need to run the installer package bootstrapper in windows XP SP2 compatibility mode

worked like a charm after that
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Yet Adobe 8 acrobat pro runs like a dream.

I can't use any of my ECAD software though
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I got Vista Business from work its pretty cool also borrowed Office 2007
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will AVG antivirus and zonealarm work on vista? also does anyone know if my usb modem software will work ok?(its a speedtouch modem from orange) i did ring and ask but the women on the other end didnt have a clue what i was on about
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Originally Posted by Rick
mark rs

any retail version installed without a key can be used as a base.
so where would i get the software?
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Originally Posted by GTi_iTG
will AVG antivirus and zonealarm work on vista? also does anyone know if my usb modem software will work ok?(its a speedtouch modem from orange) i did ring and ask but the women on the other end didnt have a clue what i was on about
bin it and buy an ethernet router, problem solved. USB modems are the spawn of the devil

The main problems i'm having with vista are the software accounting packages that our customers run, sage, pegasus opera, SAP etc. They all seem to use a PDF printer/creator to generate the documents (invoices, sales orders, purchase orders etc), and the PDF printer it uses is the amyuni document creator, which used a kernel mode driver....which vista doesnt work with. Server 2003 used to have problems with them but it was nothing a group policy couldnt fix, but on vista it doesnt work full stop, no amount of fudging will make it work, as it only allows the use of user mode drivers. So for now Vista PCs and laptops are on hold if they want to run sage/opera. Sage Line 200/500 works ok though as it doesnt use a PDF printer as it is sql based and the docs are held in there. MMS doesnt work though

No VPN software we use works either, neither safenet softremote of sonicwall globalvpn have a vista compatible release yet (Safenet - June, Sonicwall - christ knows)

Still got it on my home PC and my work laptop without any major problems, but then again i dont run any of that shite anyway


To be honest i dont know what everyone is getting so worked up about, when XP came out fuck all worked on that so it's just same old story.

If microsoft wrote an OS that meant every single piece of third party software ran on it no matter how flaky then they'd still be working on a final release of windows 95

Rick It's only the installer you have to run in WXP SP2 mode, the program itself runs fine without any fiddling It was installing from the downloaded .exe package, whereas the pro version i assume will be on CD and wont need to use the compressed .exe. It probably uses some sort of linux bootstrapper that vista tries to block. Even setting owner and permissions on entire C drive to 'wide open' (inherited all the way down) it wouldnt work
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keep xp mate i had a go on vista today for the first time and i wasnt impressed to be honest...
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Originally Posted by BigMouthBillyBass
Originally Posted by GTi_iTG
will AVG antivirus and zonealarm work on vista? also does anyone know if my usb modem software will work ok?(its a speedtouch modem from orange) i did ring and ask but the women on the other end didnt have a clue what i was on about
bin it and buy an ethernet router, problem solved. USB modems are the spawn of the devil

The main problems i'm having with vista are the software accounting packages that our customers run, sage, pegasus opera, SAP etc. They all seem to use a PDF printer/creator to generate the documents (invoices, sales orders, purchase orders etc), and the PDF printer it uses is the amyuni document creator, which used a kernel mode driver....which vista doesnt work with. Server 2003 used to have problems with them but it was nothing a group policy couldnt fix, but on vista it doesnt work full stop, no amount of fudging will make it work, as it only allows the use of user mode drivers. So for now Vista PCs and laptops are on hold if they want to run sage/opera. Sage Line 200/500 works ok though as it doesnt use a PDF printer as it is sql based and the docs are held in there. MMS doesnt work though

No VPN software we use works either, neither safenet softremote of sonicwall globalvpn have a vista compatible release yet (Safenet - June, Sonicwall - christ knows)

Still got it on my home PC and my work laptop without any major problems, but then again i dont run any of that shite anyway


To be honest i dont know what everyone is getting so worked up about, when XP came out fuck all worked on that so it's just same old story.

If microsoft wrote an OS that meant every single piece of third party software ran on it no matter how flaky then they'd still be working on a final release of windows 95

Rick It's only the installer you have to run in WXP SP2 mode, the program itself runs fine without any fiddling It probably uses some sort of linux bootstrapper that vista tries to block. Even setting owner and permissions on entire C drive to 'wide open' (inherited all the way down) it wouldnt work
Guess thats one way around it, but hopefully it will work if i do get vista
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Originally Posted by aduz
keep xp mate i had a go on vista today for the first time and i wasnt impressed to be honest...
It takes a bit of getting used to, but so did XP
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Originally Posted by BigMouthBillyBass
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keep xp mate i had a go on vista today for the first time and i wasnt impressed to be honest...
It takes a bit of getting used to, but so did XP
it was a doddle to use mate but after all the anticipation and hype i thought it was poo but hey thats just me
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Test Drive Unlimied run's like a dream on it, much better then XP Pro

Avg anti spyware is not compatible yet Dunno about zonealarm, not used it for years Can't seem to be able to install the nero image drive function

Battlefield 2 will not run

Takes roughly 5 - 7 attempts to run a singleplayer map, not tried online yet.

No tried any other games like Vice City, or Quake 3 yet, too busy on TDU
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1gb ram with a old p4 2.8ht, raedon 9550 agp card. Runs all singing all dancing without any problems, in fact after switching back to xp id say xp feels far more bloated.

My only gripe is the total lack of any driver support for sound out of the box.
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I'm running vista & office 2007, both ultimate editions.

its nice to look at and gets lots of looks, but for my personal computers without a doubt i would be sticking with XP for now.
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I'm just hoping that vista doesn't require reinstalling every 6 months
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Originally Posted by GTi_iTG
will AVG antivirus and zonealarm work on vista? also does anyone know if my usb modem software will work ok?(its a speedtouch modem from orange) i did ring and ask but the women on the other end didnt have a clue what i was on about
not sure I know kaspersky and symantec have an updated version of AV to run on Vista
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yeah be warned not alot of things will run on it.... i.e. itunes but apparently all will be fixed in a couple of months. Maybe hang on till then......
errrr had itunes working fine here on vista ultimate since november, what exactly is the problem with it?
well mine says that the programme is not supported and vista has had to run in windows basic and auto play box keeps popping up every second and they going...... did yours work straight away??? maybe its my version of itunes and not the vista
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yeah be warned not alot of things will run on it.... i.e. itunes but apparently all will be fixed in a couple of months. Maybe hang on till then......
errrr had itunes working fine here on vista ultimate since november, what exactly is the problem with it?
well mine says that the programme is not supported and vista has had to run in windows basic and auto play box keeps popping up every second and they going...... did yours work straight away??? maybe its my version of itunes and not the vista
Just because it isnt supported doesnt mean it doesnt work

I'd say first of all to get the latest graphics driver for your machine from ATI/Nvidia/Intel and install that. Both ATI and NVidia now do decent Vista drivers. The native Vista plug and play drivers are absolute SHITE

Running Itunes 7.0 here with no problems on an ATI 128mb 9600XT card here thats getting close to 3 years old

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for anyone wondering about what games run on vista take a look at this guys videos on youtube http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=maxishine hes tested like 10 different top pc games and done little vids of them all
Hes got a killer pc aswell
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Dan RS Turbo - Test Drive Unlimited works far better for me on XP than vista. I bet you have an ATI card....
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I bet he does, the traitor
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yeah be warned not alot of things will run on it.... i.e. itunes but apparently all will be fixed in a couple of months. Maybe hang on till then......
errrr had itunes working fine here on vista ultimate since november, what exactly is the problem with it?
well mine says that the programme is not supported and vista has had to run in windows basic and auto play box keeps popping up every second and they going...... did yours work straight away??? maybe its my version of itunes and not the vista
Just because it isnt supported doesnt mean it doesnt work

I'd say first of all to get the latest graphics driver for your machine from ATI/Nvidia/Intel and install that. Both ATI and NVidia now do decent Vista drivers. The native Vista plug and play drivers are absolute SHITE

Running Itunes 7.0 here with no problems on an ATI 128mb 9600XT card here thats getting close to 3 years old

your right! hehe thanks for the advice ill have to remember that! ill keep you in mind if i have any vista issues!

thanks
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