Hi all i need help. Took my head of my cos today to find that ive actualy got a wire rung block. done a bit of research and found a lot of different opinions on it. I know that these rings will have to be replaced but with what??? its not proper coopers ring gasket as ive got fire rings around the cylinders but it was only a standard head gasket on there. Obviously i will have to replace them some how otherwise its going to cost me a fortune getting everything skimmed and cr checked
any ideas welcome

 

wire ringing can work well if done right mate...you will suprised how many big power cars on here use this

sorry but i cant advise you on the technical side of your post

 

i know it could be a good thing but need someone who knows what they are doing.

 

i know it could be a good thing but need someone who knows what they are doing.

 

turbodan
run a group a head gasket and a wire rung block is a very good done it lots of time never had a head gasket fail realy dont no what you are worring about if any thig change the wire its just a welding wire in ther mate

 

Why does it need replacing?

Take it to you local machining shop and ask them to re-do it, it will not cost much!

Mine is wire rung and I still use a std gasket (not even grpA!)

 

yeah but ive got to replace the rings that are already there. That is what im worried about as the old ones are compressed in different places

 

turbodan
re move them ther only taped in and replace with new wire its welding wire best to buy a littel roll of it £7 but take your wire out first as it could be a few differnt size simple realy done it many times or if yo know some one that has welding wire you only need around 1 meter of it to do a 4 cylinder

 

I don't suppose you have any idea who originally wire ringed it? You need to make sure you use the correct diameter wire....

 

Billabong im in the process of finding out mate i think i will get them to do it again it has been a good engine in all fairness the head gasket failed due to my turbo water feed pipe blocked and it overheated.

 

Had mine done a few years ago and its the best move i ever made

 

its usually 1mm mig wire, cut it slightly longer than you need and file a 45 deg chamfer on one side. then file the other end with an opposing 45 deg chamfer untill it fits in the groove in the block. when you are happy that its a good fit use a few dabs of super glue to hold it in place while you fit the head.

 

My first EsCos was wire ringed, and behaved perfectly whilst I had it. When the new onwer drove (absolutely mentally hooned it!) off, I somehow knew there'd be issues . A few weeks later he phoned me up and asked me about the wire ringing, I found out from my tuner and gave him the correct diameter. A week or so later, he'd broken it again - and said he put a different diameter in to what I'd told him . He used the correct size second time around, and as far as I know, all was then sweet.

Good luck with it Dan

 

cheers all ive got the wire out of the grooves now but where it has been squashed its hard to distinguish was it was in the first place and what size it was so im going to try and measure the groove so that i know the depth of it and go from there

 

Unsure due to your "Fire rings" comment so take pictures so we can advise you better pal.

 

terminology probably wrong stu they are as other people have explained just wire around each cylinder about 1mm in diameter. i will try and get some pics later hopefully
cheers
Dan

 

here are a few pics the front two cylinders ive taken the rings out.

 

 

Interesting!

My head gasket has gone now and my block is wire rung according to the cars paperwork.

So is a grpA gasket the best to use with wire ringing?

I take it the wire compresses to fill the gap where the two ends meet ok?! Anyone?

Cheers Brad

 

I´ve been told the std gasket is best for wire ringing