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Old Jan 31, 2007 | 01:12 PM
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apart from obvious one has 4wd and other 2wd.
is the 200 block in 4wd
and do they have a bigger turbo?
and i know they have bigger intercooler

anything else
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Old Jan 31, 2007 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Roosie
apart from obvious one has 4wd and other 2wd.
is the 200 block in 4wd YES
and do they have a bigger turbo? T3 ON BOTH
and i know they have bigger intercooler DEEPER ON 4X4

anything else
L8 ECU GREEN CAT RED NONE CAT
WATER PIPES SYESTEM IS DIF CUCULATION ROUTE
BLUE NOT YELLOW INJECTORS
REAR CALLIPERS ARE BETTER

AND THE ARCHES FOR THE FRONT DRIVE SHAFT AND GEARBOX TUNNEL FOR THE FRONT PROP ARE DIFF
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Old Jan 31, 2007 | 01:20 PM
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Vented discs at the back too.
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Old Jan 31, 2007 | 01:20 PM
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200 block is 4wd
205 block is 2wd
2wds are prone to piston slap (offset gudgeon pins sorted this i beleive in the 4wd)
head is slightly different
exhaust manifold is different
depending on year,the oil filler could be different (bayonet type and screw type)
water pump on 2wd has one direction from the front,4wd goes left and right
rad connections are different
l6 ecu on 2wd and l8 ecu on 4x4
brakes up front are 4 pots on the 2wd,and crap on 4wd
interior changed to later spec at some point in 4x4
as did the wheels from lattice to the other snow flake type
4x4 badges!lol
rear diff is 7.5 inch on 2wd, only 7 inch on 4x4
bonnet vents were NOT fitted to 2wd
rear lights deffo on early 2wd cars were orange not smoked
injectors changed from yellow to dark blue
thats all off the top of my head at the mo
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Old Jan 31, 2007 | 01:21 PM
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oh,the tps is wired the other way around as well (the 2 outer of the 3 wires are just the other way round!)
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Old Jan 31, 2007 | 01:23 PM
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Old Jan 31, 2007 | 01:26 PM
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Engine:
Head has better combustion chambers
Turbo is more efficient with different exhaust manifold to get rid of vibration problems.
Block stronger
Intercooler a lot bigger

Brakes:
Front: Reverts to sliding calliper from 2wd 4-pot
Rear: Vented discs instead of solid (carrier wider to accomodate)

Transmission:
MT75 gearbox with 7" rear diff (instead of 7˝") and obviously a front diff, with different drive shafts at rear.

Suspension:
Rear beam different, front hubs and dampers different, different spring rates.
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Old Jan 31, 2007 | 01:34 PM
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overall a better handling a engine system?
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what are std injectors capable of then (blues)
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Old Jan 31, 2007 | 01:38 PM
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what are std injectors capable of then (blues)
Same as the yellows .

The story has it that the reason they were changed was that Ford colour coded everything that was supposed to be checked and/or replaced yellow, and some monkeys were changing the injectors as part of the service . So they got changed to blue .
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Old Jan 31, 2007 | 03:03 PM
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Is a 2wd exhaust different to a 4x4 one?
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Is a 2wd exhaust different to a 4x4 one?

Yes


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Old Jan 31, 2007 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Roosie
overall a better handling
Now thats where people opinions will be split.
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Originally Posted by Nash
Originally Posted by Roosie
overall a better handling
Now thats where people opinions will be split.
....no he didnt..."engine system"......
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Originally Posted by pete mcrash
Originally Posted by Nash
Originally Posted by Roosie
overall a better handling
Now thats where people opinions will be split.
....no he didnt..."engine system"......
I stand corrected and give myself on of these then, Just didnt make much sense to me tbh "overall a better handling a engine system"
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Originally Posted by Nash
Originally Posted by pete mcrash
Originally Posted by Nash
Originally Posted by Roosie
overall a better handling
Now thats where people opinions will be split.
....no he didnt..."engine system"......
I stand corrected and give myself on of these then, Just didnt make much sense to me tbh "overall a better handling a engine system"
...should of missed out the A me thinks..... ...nash u been to grove yet...
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pete mcrash Not yet Pete, probably wont be untill mid March now. Just waiting on a few parts, so i can send cams down to Ahmed to get them re profiled before i go.

Just mad busy at work go away to Wales for 3 weeks sunday, so might have to pull a few favours to get bits sent down while i am away.
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4x4s have the 200 block, which is a development of the RS500's YBD 205 block.

4x4s also had reinforced front wings.

The 4x4 exhaust manifold is slightly more restrictive than the 2wd one.

Leather was an option in 4x4s only.

4x4s have 'features' inline with the 1989 onwards Sierra range (seens as the 4x4 was introduced in 1989), including internal boot release and petrol flap, flush fit boot lock, improved soundproofing and dash illumination. Clear front indicators, and smoked rear lights, and black rear number plate panel were standard fit on 1989 onwards Sierras.

The 4x4 (L8) TPS is a PF09, and the (2wd) L6 TPS is a PF01 - as above, to use one with the other system the outer two wires must be swapped.
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Leather was an option in 4x4s only.
Absolute BOLLOCKS .

Mine had leather FROM the factory, but it was only offered on 1989 2wd cars .

Had you said aircon, then yes that is true of UK cars.... .
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Trust you to be the special one

I stand very corrected.
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the colours were different on the 4x4's too.

for the better.
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Default Re: whats difference between 2wd and 4wd saphires?

Originally Posted by Roosie
apart from obvious one has 4wd and other 2wd.
is the 200 block in 4wd
and do they have a bigger turbo?
and i know they have bigger intercooler

anything else
2wd is for people who can drive

4x4 is for poofs
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Default Re: whats difference between 2wd and 4wd saphires?

Originally Posted by dave cos4x4
the colours were different on the 4x4's too.

for the better.
You mean SOME of the colours were different .

Moonestone, Diamond white and Magenta were available in both types .


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apart from obvious one has 4wd and other 2wd.
is the 200 block in 4wd
and do they have a bigger turbo?
and i know they have bigger intercooler

anything else
2wd is for people who can drive

4x4 is for poofs
Refresh my memory to what transmission type your Escort is?
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The turbo inlet on the compressor housing is less "tapered" on the 4x4 than the 2wd, and has a very slightly bigger compressor wheel.
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Default Re: whats difference between 2wd and 4wd saphires?

Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by dave cos4x4
the colours were different on the 4x4's too.

for the better.
You mean SOME of the colours were different .

Moonestone, Diamond white and Magenta were available in both types .


Originally Posted by RWD_cossie_wil
Originally Posted by Roosie
apart from obvious one has 4wd and other 2wd.
is the 200 block in 4wd
and do they have a bigger turbo?
and i know they have bigger intercooler




anything else
2wd is for people who can drive

4x4 is for poofs
Refresh my memory to what transmission type your Escort is?


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Ah, but I have a 2wd saff as well , so i'm only half gay Bi , I suppose

To be fair, 2wd and 4x4 cars are so different it's hard to compare them really. I love them both for different reasons, 2wd is just mega fun, much more of a challenge to drive fast, and just feel faster most of the time. And you don't need a gearbox rebuild everytime you boot it in 3rd .

The escort is awsome as well, loads of grip, can just throw it into corners and it will stick, the package is just superb. I can't wait to get it back to be honest , but Stu is working his magic so I am being patient .

So, both awsome cars in their own right
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also, 4x4 and 2wd were avaliable in flint grey and black
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Nothing they both nasty looking !!LOL
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Old Mar 24, 2007 | 01:09 PM
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most things have been said

but if you want to know stupid things then

centre consoles are different also dash colours 4wd are black 2wd are grey

inlet manifolds and throttle bodies are different
fuel rail and pressure reg mountings

abs pumps

anti roll bars tca etc

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I mite of got this wrong and i can't be bothered to go back and look so please tell me if i read it wrong but did someone say:

2WD exhaust manifolds are better

and someone say 4X4s were??????????????????????
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a 2wd manifold is better in a way

but the 4wd will give you less lag and will be fine upto around 400bhp ive read then its worth chagning to a 2wd manifold for flow purposes

im sure someone will know a lot more about it

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Originally Posted by RWD_cossie_wil

So, both awsome cars in their own right
spot fucking on pal!
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Originally Posted by xr4x4rs
dash colours - 4wd are black 2wd are grey
2wd cars that came with leather had "raven" dashes .
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Originally Posted by cozmeister
4x4s also had reinforced front wings
i'm confused by this
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Originally Posted by cozmeister
4x4s also had reinforced front wings


i'm still confused by this
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its not the wings themselves that are reinforced, its the inner wings that are stronger....

obviously due to stress from front of 4x4 system
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So is the cooling route for the 4X4 significantly improved on the 2WD version? I have the 2WD, and have never really had an issue with cooling (admitedly with an uprated rad).

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