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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 05:01 PM
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 05:09 PM
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I say bring back the death sentence for those found 100% guilty of murder... (so the law would be to stop the death sentence!). Whats the point of giving these fookers a nice life in prison......
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I say bring back the death sentence for those found 100% guilty of murder... (so the law would be to stop the death sentence!). Whats the point of giving these fookers a nice life in prison......
Because jurys never make mistakes


I would repeal the Criminal Justice & Public Order Act, 1994
The most oppressive piece of legislation created in recent times.

http://www.urban75.org/legal/cja.html

The ridiculous Misuse of drugs act need to go too though
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Perhaps they should bring in the US jury etc where the death sentence is still used and seems effective. Or ship em all over there to face fate. Anything done in this country seems to be a complete fuck up.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 06:13 PM
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/...in204759.shtml

Yeah, that system works really well

Where humans are involved mistakes will be made.
Capital punishment is from the dark ages and needs to stay there.

I'm not saying the current system doesn't have its problems (lets face it, it can be a joke) but executing people will never be an acceptable solution imo.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by gurnE
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/...in204759.shtml

Yeah, that system works really well

Where humans are involved mistakes will be made.
Capital punishment is from the dark ages and needs to stay there.

I'm not saying the current system doesn't have its problems (lets face it, it can be a joke) but executing people will never be an acceptable solution imo.
thats why he said only kill those who are found 100% guilty???

cant get more sure than 100% :!
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 07:15 PM
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the one that forces us to pay the BBC to watch their channels.

Oh sorry I mean the one that makes us have a licence to watch a TV.

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Originally Posted by gurnE
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/...in204759.shtml

Yeah, that system works really well

Where humans are involved mistakes will be made.
Capital punishment is from the dark ages and needs to stay there.

I'm not saying the current system doesn't have its problems (lets face it, it can be a joke) but executing people will never be an acceptable solution imo.
thats why he said only kill those who are found 100% guilty???

cant get more sure than 100% :!
There is no such thing as 100% quilty. People are convicted 'beyond reasonable doubt'

Besides executing people makes us no better than them.
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 05:07 PM
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The Deer Act of 1981 is pritty pointless
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 05:25 PM
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free the weed! something like up to 3 plants and an oz legal for personal
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by gurnE
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I say bring back the death sentence for those found 100% guilty of murder... (so the law would be to stop the death sentence!). Whats the point of giving these fookers a nice life in prison......


I would repeal the Criminal Justice & Public Order Act, 1994
The most oppressive piece of legislation created in recent times.

http://www.urban75.org/legal/cja.html

The ridiculous Misuse of drugs act need to go too though
you fucking know it mate!!!
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 06:36 PM
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I think they should "take a look" at the laws about underage sex, I mean have you walked past a highschool recently its just too hard to tell how old they are these days, when theyre getting in nightclubs n that man FFS, add 15 pints of snakebite and youre doing a 3 stretch easily
Seriously I know the law has to be there for when the people are grooming them over the net n stuff , but what about when the 18 yr old stunna is chatting you up in a club so you do the biz then blow her out , she gets offended and cries rape, and that 18yr old stunna just happens to be a 15 yr old stunna
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 08:28 PM
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as above but (sorry lads)drinking age should be 21,
and sick peados should get life
but on a real law ,the law that states we are not allowed to know if a sex offender or kiddy fiddler lives near , like megans law in the states,then them weirdo fucks might think before they wreck peoples lives!!!
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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 05:30 PM
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Have you never hear of the ECHR
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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by gurnE
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/...in204759.shtml

Yeah, that system works really well

Where humans are involved mistakes will be made.
Capital punishment is from the dark ages and needs to stay there.

I'm not saying the current system doesn't have its problems (lets face it, it can be a joke) but executing people will never be an acceptable solution imo.
In the age of technology we live in, and the breakthroughs with DNA matching that we have, the chances of sentencing(sp) an innocnet person to death row is much more remote than it used to be. The reason capitol punishment was abolished, was due to not being able to pin point with 100% backed up evidence someone's guilt - these things have changed now.

I say bring back capitol punishment

But if I had to choose a law to be discarded - I discard the law that allows illegal immigrants the rights to live here, in free houses with benefits, enjoying my tax money for their lifestyles....
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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by gurnE
Originally Posted by CraigoScott
Originally Posted by gurnE
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/...in204759.shtml

Yeah, that system works really well

Where humans are involved mistakes will be made.
Capital punishment is from the dark ages and needs to stay there.

I'm not saying the current system doesn't have its problems (lets face it, it can be a joke) but executing people will never be an acceptable solution imo.
thats why he said only kill those who are found 100% guilty???

cant get more sure than 100% :!
There is no such thing as 100% quilty. People are convicted 'beyond reasonable doubt'

Besides executing people makes us no better than them.
No Such thing? Done talk bollox...like if i got caught red handed knifing the wife....
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Old Dec 16, 2006 | 09:00 AM
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I wouldn't scrap a law but I would scrap all this 'Human Rights' bollocks.

Especially when it comes to criminals who are locked up inside

Don't get me wrong, I do agree with some things but it goes a bit to far at times!!!
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Old Dec 16, 2006 | 10:01 AM
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where to start?
the human rights law
the kiddyfillding perverts law which says we can't know hwo they are
eruopen stuff
anything blair has pushed in
welfare state stuff
the list is endless
but the death penalty wouldn't be one of them, there are more iportant thngs to think baout than that
if you've kileld somenoe you get locked up in a stone room and get fed twice a day in a bucket
you use another bucket to do your crap in
job done
and if you ditched the human rights stuff they wouldn't be complaining they didnt' hae thier comfy tellys and beds and stuff
do the same for all crims and you won't have any problems with people getting knifed in prison, cell mixing going wrong, people being able to bribe stuff out of the guards or anything like drugs and all that going in inside

if you want to tech them a lesson make sure it works
all the rehabilitaion and teaching them how to do stuff should come AFTER they get punished

rant over
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Old Dec 16, 2006 | 10:50 AM
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Bring back National Service, let these little shits who roam the streets thinking they are clever and acting like heroes find out what it takes to learn some discipline

OR....

change National Speed Limit to at least 100 mph
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Old Dec 16, 2006 | 10:53 AM
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You should be able to fully protect/defend yourself and your property
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Old Dec 16, 2006 | 11:14 AM
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The law which says you are free to choose to vote or not should be removed, or at least the law should change.

Everyone MUST vote, unless they have a pretty good excuse, like death or something...

(Everyone must learn English when living in the UK, everyone must learn 'basic' politics at school or wherever, especially people living\born in the UK as an example to people moving to the country).
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Originally Posted by martyn
You should be able to fully protect/defend yourself and your property
you can defend your property by any means....
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agree with above....scrap human rights....
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Old Dec 16, 2006 | 06:15 PM
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so many pointless laws nowdays where to start
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Originally Posted by Phil DJ
I wouldn't scrap a law but I would scrap all this 'Human Rights' bollocks.
The Human Rights Act?

Are you serious????

- Article 2: Right to Life

- Article 3: Prohibition on Torture

- Article 4: Prohibition on slavery and forced labour

- Article 5: Right to liberty and security

- Article 6: Right to a fair trial

- Article 7: No punishment without law

- Article 8: Right to respect for private and family life

- Article 9: Freedom of thought, conscience and religion

- Article 10: Right to freedom of expression

- Article 11: Freedom of assembly and association

- Article 12: Right to marry and found a family

- Article 14: Prohibition on discrimination

- Article 1 of the First Protocol: Protection of property

- Article 2 of the First Protocol: Right to education

- Article 3 of the First Protocol: Right to free elections
Which parts do you disagree with?

Originally Posted by kennyA
The law which says you are free to choose to vote or not should be removed, or at least the law should change.

Everyone MUST vote, unless they have a pretty good excuse, like death or something...
What if

a. There is no party you can, in good conscience, vote for?

or

b. You consider voting to be condoning a system which you do not support or believe in?
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Old Dec 16, 2006 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Lee Reynolds
Originally Posted by martyn
You should be able to fully protect/defend yourself and your property
you can defend your property by any means....
Not strictly true. You can use reasonable force.

http://www.crimereduction.gov.uk/yp/ypgcp01.htm#safety

Personally I think the current stance on treating what is reasonable on a case by case basis is the correct one.

It is unacceptable to allow people to kill someone who has committed a crime against them unless their life is in danger imo.
Where do you draw the line? The kid who breaks into a car deserves to be caught and punished (by the system) but they do not deserve to be killed with a pick-axe handle by the cars owner.

How many of us can say we didn't fracture the odd law when we were young and stupid?
Do you think the shop keeper has the right to cut your throat because you stole that chocolate bar aged 13?
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Originally Posted by gurnE
Originally Posted by Lee Reynolds
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You should be able to fully protect/defend yourself and your property
you can defend your property by any means....
Not strictly true. You can use reasonable force.

http://www.crimereduction.gov.uk/yp/ypgcp01.htm#safety

Personally I think the current stance on treating what is reasonable on a case by case basis is the correct one.

It is unacceptable to allow people to kill someone who has committed a crime against them unless their life is in danger imo.
Where do you draw the line? The kid who breaks into a car deserves to be caught and punished (by the system) but they do not deserve to be killed with a pick-axe handle by the cars owner.

How many of us can say we didn't fracture the odd law when we were young and stupid?
Do you think the shop keeper has the right to cut your throat because you stole that chocolate bar aged 13?
they do deserve it tho. If a 15/16/17 year old or whatever stole my car i would hope he would crash into a brick wall and burn alive....
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Originally Posted by gurnE
Originally Posted by Phil DJ
I wouldn't scrap a law but I would scrap all this 'Human Rights' bollocks.
The Human Rights Act?

Are you serious????

- Article 2: Right to Life

- Article 3: Prohibition on Torture

- Article 4: Prohibition on slavery and forced labour

- Article 5: Right to liberty and security

- Article 6: Right to a fair trial

- Article 7: No punishment without law

- Article 8: Right to respect for private and family life

- Article 9: Freedom of thought, conscience and religion

- Article 10: Right to freedom of expression

- Article 11: Freedom of assembly and association

- Article 12: Right to marry and found a family

- Article 14: Prohibition on discrimination

- Article 1 of the First Protocol: Protection of property

- Article 2 of the First Protocol: Right to education

- Article 3 of the First Protocol: Right to free elections
Which parts do you disagree with?

Originally Posted by kennyA
The law which says you are free to choose to vote or not should be removed, or at least the law should change.

Everyone MUST vote, unless they have a pretty good excuse, like death or something...
What if

a. There is no party you can, in good conscience, vote for?

or

b. You consider voting to be condoning a system which you do not support or believe in?
If we are talking about the Human Rights Act 1998 as enacted by the Uk Parliament..I'd probably look seriously at rewriting it. Since it's creation it's been declared void (well, as the HOC likes to put it ''incompatible'') by not one, but 22 pieces of uk legislation, with the 23rd going through as a Bill in this Parliamentary session. It's not what it should be. Parliament can just declare it ''incompatible'' with any particular piece of legislation and bypass it. You shouldn't have such a fundamental Act being avoided when it doesn't suit. It should always apply, if at all. You can't have ''part time'' rights.


Seriously though, for me it's the Hunting Act...no, I'm not middle class, no, I don't agree with Fox Hunting in the slightest. I detest it. It's the reason I stopped horse riding when I was younger as I couldn't mix with people who agreed with it.
However, it's proclaimed to be one of, if not the worst worded piece of legislation out of the 22,000 acts we have kicking around in the statute books. For anybody who thought the House of Lords rejected it on the grounds they are ''toffs'' it was actually because the highest court in the land thought it was the most poorly put together bundle of paper it could have been. People will still hunt (eg on boxing day), they'll still cruelly kill foxes..and..at worst...people will deliberately flout the law knowing they won't get caught.

Bin it...and write it properly.
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Originally Posted by gurnE
Originally Posted by Phil DJ
I wouldn't scrap a law but I would scrap all this 'Human Rights' bollocks.
The Human Rights Act?

Are you serious????

- Article 2: Right to Life

- Article 3: Prohibition on Torture

- Article 4: Prohibition on slavery and forced labour

- Article 5: Right to liberty and security

- Article 6: Right to a fair trial

- Article 7: No punishment without law

- Article 8: Right to respect for private and family life

- Article 9: Freedom of thought, conscience and religion

- Article 10: Right to freedom of expression

- Article 11: Freedom of assembly and association

- Article 12: Right to marry and found a family

- Article 14: Prohibition on discrimination

- Article 1 of the First Protocol: Protection of property

- Article 2 of the First Protocol: Right to education

- Article 3 of the First Protocol: Right to free elections
Which parts do you disagree with?
what about the bits that you've missed out

everything now is down to "human rights" even pirsoners being paid because, as a result of them being in clicnk they haven't been able to score the dops they need and have been forced to go cold turkey

now, if thats not a load of bollocks then explain to me why that should be so?

get caught robbing old grannies flats to pay for your drugs, go to prison, go cold turkey, suffer a bit while playing on your ps2 and doing all the things that would wouldn't be able to do if you outside them prison walls AND get paid for the previlege

as opposed to

get caught robbing old grannies to fucnd your drug habits, getting thrown into clink, sit there like a turd, get fed and watered once a day for the duration of your sentance

one with human rights, one without, i know what i'd be voting for
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