Ford WRC Blocks have liners ..... do yours...

 

not on an escort rs turbo - no

who on earth said that - need shooting

 

every one seems to post on here about there zetecs having wrc blocks i would just like to see some pictures lol

as ive seem 5 genuines and they had liners these ones dont

 

A WRC zetec??
what planet are these peeps on

 

and different crank , need different head, there are sum people sayin they have wrc cgi blocks, i would like to see a pic of the engine b4 there head went on

 

Ford used the Zetec engine in the wrc focus,although Duratec is used on the latest spec cars.
doubt you'd see any in a road car though.

 

they usually mean the cgi block whicj identical to production block apart from material and tolerances used. these can then be linered or honed to size depending on spec.

 

i am currentley looking into buying a cgi block for my zetec turbo here is the basic spilge on it

Genuine Cosworth CGI (Carbon Graphite Impregnated) cast iron engine block as fitted to the Focus Cosworth WRC cars. These are brand new, finished & machined and are currently at 84.5mm bore size (honed).

This CGI block has a 7.30mm wall thickness and could easily be bored out to take 87.5mm pistons or bigger! Perfect for Turbo or Supercharged engines, this block will hold over 30 psi.

The block comes with main caps and bolts fitted, but none of the core plugs/bungs etc. Oil squirter provisions are integrated, so you'll either need the jets if you want to use them or plugs if you don't intend to use them.

 

WRC Blocks have been used plaenty of times .... Get off your high horse

 

JanWRC Blocks have liners
and all the blocks have a part number that begins with YC do yours

I know the lads that brought all the last remaining genuine WRC blocks and they look nothing like yours

would you like some pics so that you can see one for the first time........................

 

comon then show us your items that no one else can ever get there hands on...

 

I have asked them to post up some pics. then you will fianlly be able to see that your blocks look nothing like what theres do.......


yours look just like the ones on focus sport ...

 

Who cares?

 

basically the as you call it "focus sport" cgi block is the srtongest block anyone on here will be able to get hold of unless you are in with the crew who have the last remaining few. so if you want a stronger zetec block then that is what you can have if you dont want it then stick to what you've got.

i wouldn't mind having a look tho just out of interest

 

Im interested... are these pictures posted in another thread ?

 

Actually CGI stands for Compacted Graphite Iron

The American Site you got that information is wrong

Burtons are expecting 8 CGI blocks from Cosworth in a week or two.

They are a direct copy of a road going Focus Block appart from the material grade.

Burtons want Ł550 each I believe

The WRC block can be dry or wet linered depending on year and is lightened with a few little mods to water inlets etc.

 

For all its worth, Karl mentioned that the liners he fitted to my 1.9 were "WRC" spec. No idea what that intails but there you go, my 2 pence worth!

Dan

 

any pics interesting topic

 

aaron has a CGi block in his car... 16v...

it has NO cylinder liners

and im pretty sure last years WRC focus used this block and was zetec

 

i thaught these would go for a grand or so...
thats pretty cheep isnt it

 

No that is not cheap. The blocks have always been around that price.

 

i suppose...even 200 cossie blocks are around that price eh

 

your right they are not that cheap especially when you no the real price is Ł750 +vat from Burton's alot of money

 

Just out of curiousity after reading this thread I decided to speak to m-sport regarding this matter as they would obviously be able to clarify things.

This is the information from m-sport
The engine which did not use liners was developed by mountune who clarified when asked that this was a compacted graphite iron block (CGI) but would not provide additional information.

Considering that both these blocks were used in the WRC focus I feel it is impossible and wrong to state for a fact that ALL WRC Focus blocks have liners

 

nice bit of info.
well researched

 

nice but i'll stay 1600

 

but there isnt alot of cgi blocks proving any good times(apart from sunny and paul j )
is it just so people can say they have a cgi block zetec

 

how many cars with cgi blocks have you seen do bad times

 

Just found this thread, i'm the chap who bought the WRC cosworth stuff

there are a few types of CGI blocks, all based on the road going zetec r

you've got the Standard Road going Zetec CGI block, like burtons are selling, then the WRC spec blocks which use the Zetec CGI block as a base and are totally machined down and either use wet or dry liners. these are radically different from a stock block and if you had one you'd know

Ian

 

you will do soon enough mate

 

msport has allready clarified that ''The engine was originally developed by Mountune and did not have liners'' ... I take this as meaning that NOT all the Zetec WRC engines had liners fitted wet or dry or otherwise... it was only the Cosworth blocks that featured liners.

Please post pictures of the WRC blocks that are radically different from the standard block so that I can contact msport again for further clarification regarding these apparent differences.

 

all the WRC blocks i have (around 20) all use liners of some description, except the one standard cgi block i have. they must all be cosworth spec ones then.

 

 

I that a mountune engine?

 

cant be montune, it has liners.... must be a cosworth one...

Guess there is nothing to stop you from machining the CGI block and fitting liners.

It all seems a little OTT, has anyone even damaged a STANDARD zetec block?!!

 

More to the point how many road cars are there in the counry that have big power or huge amounts of torque? (I can count on one hand)

I know of only 2 dyno proven engines around the 500bhp mark and only one of them has actually seen any sustained abuse in the car (Paul J).

Under high torque loads experienced by the Focus WRC the standard block fails around the main bearing cap webs as they are poorly designed from Ford in the first place. This has been proven by Mountune when developing the engine on the dyno hence the use of the CGI block to improve block strength

Just my perception of the situation IMHO

 

Just to add further information to this story, I contacted cosworth regarding the state of the blocks that they provided and got the following repsonce

upon further investigation, I have been informed that the CGI blocks that are available to the general public are the same grade material as used by the WRC cars and are available as with and without liners.
The Cosworth blocks recieved additional machining to fit wet liners and other improvements (although nobody would tell me what these are) and all feature wet liners, they are only available to m-sport customers.

 

thanks for posting the pictures Dub-Se7en, never seen one like that before myself.... im just interested in the background regarding these blocks, so I email everyone trying to find out a little, hope you find it as interesting a subject as I do

Out of curiousity do they weigh a great deal more than the non-liner blocks ?

are there any other visual differences you note ?

Im curious as to what made you purchase them in such number are you in the performance industry or is there another reason ?

sorry but im a curious kid

 

i've not done a weight comparison, when i get chance i'll compare the 2.

visually they are very different, all unused mounts, castings etc have been machined right down, the oil filter casting has also been filled in and machined down.

I originally contacted cosworth to purchase a set of rods and pistons for my Zetec turbo. they then contacted me to see if i wanted various other bits like a CGI block, WRC spec head etc. all of which i bought.

Then they offered me the job lot for the right price, enough to make 5 complete engines with lots of spares (no ECU's, or turbos though)

all this for a Ford Orion eh? lol.....