Hi all

does anybody know who is picking up the SECS ECU project? I have one, and I am having a few troubles with the software side of things. I was hopeful that it would be picked up soon in the hope that the windows version would be advanced, and unlock some of the potential.

I would like to make this absolutely clear that this is not intended to be a dig at anybody involved, but merely an attempt to find out where things currently are.

If you want to have a pop at anyone on this, please feel free under your own thread elsewhere

Thanks for your understanding.

JJ

 

BTTT what problems you having?

ive done a little work with a s8,, and i loved it for easy of mapping

 

Hi Gareth

If I recall you know lots about mapping. I am new to this, and I have to say, so far the S8 has been a real pleasure. I have a friend with a rolling road, who is helping me set it up with a base map.

To be honest, we have barely scratched the surface of tuning it at the mo. I had quite a lot of trouble setting her up to idle. I was a little confused as to why the settings for one car with an almost identical set up wouldnt allow my car to run. It was a little weird! I have managed to get her to idle, but not a lot more at the mo.

One of the things I was really really keen on was the ability to map water injection. It looks like the hardware can, but the software cant quite yet. I am really hopeful that this will be a simple thing to add when it comes.

Also, I remember rumblings about wide band lambda support for closed loop tuning. I could be talking out of my bottom on this one.

Really this is more running before I am walking, as I (this is the royal I, being my tuning friend who can, not me who cant!!!) need to get the base maps sorted first.

At the mo, I havent committed lots of money and time to this yet, as I was kinda waiting to see if the S8 software was going to be further developed. It looks to me as a layman that the hardware is very very good, and can possibly deliver more functionality in the future.

I cant speak for other S8 owners, but if some bright spark was to inherit the project, and make further developments to the software, I would probably part with money for the software if it was good!

JJ

 

chip knows a bit about these

 

I dont know anything i havent already said to him im afraid mate.

Only Simon knows whats happening with new products and software.

 

o ok wen u come to surrey bring ur laptop can u

 

JjCoDeX75 i think that you've made a fair assessment of the product there

as i sold it to you, i wish you success with it in the future

 

Hi matey

I have to say I am still pretty pleased with it. If nothing else, it gives arses like me a chance to have a go myself without huge outlay. So no regrets!!!

I hope somebody does pick the project up, cos it is just too good to stop now.

JJ

 

I too have a S8 ecu and coil pack conversion and am also interested when the software is going to be updated. Also would like to know when the windows software is availiable

Going to be using it for my track car next year on 2ltr Zetec N/A to get some practice in. I hear its harder to melt a piston on a N/A setup

Bri.

 

Probably right Bri, it would make sense!

Good luck with that. When I finish bolting my car back together, I am going to spend some time getting a base map together. I will let you know how I go.

I have invested in a good logging Wide Band Lambda Sensor - very important!!! Now need det cans and an experienced tuner, and I have everything I need to do it my self!"!! ahem!

JJ

 

If having idle set up problems,

Could be sensor/ ecu set up, ie does map and TPS read 00 when ign on?



Have you got another ecu, that the car idle's fine with??

 

thats what i thought lol, took me ages to get her to idle and start from hot / cold. got there in the end though

Bri.

 

Good advice! Sussed that pretty quickly. One of my problem was the ICV settings, which was set to something weird!

I have on the shelf somewhere the later 4X4 TPS, but havent changed over. I wasnt sure if there was any benefit.

JJ

 

Also i wouldn't use the base map,

as i found it best to start from fresh on my s8.

 

I have some base settings for the 803 injectors. When you did yours, did you trust in these being correct?

JJ

 

The base 803 map i had on mine was terrible, but i wasnt given it to me told anything other than "it will just about run your engine"

 

i fitted mine this time last year.

the base map simon supplie'd was only to get it up and running, but wouldn't run.

so i started from scratch.


but mine is 8inj's, gt30.

 

Now you mention it, I seem to remember yours being 8 injectors.

I thought you had sold your stuff? Glad to here that the project still lives!

JJ

 

Hi matey

You are absolutely correct of course. You may remember me saying that I was taking the car off the road to do a bit of rust repair work? Turns out that there was more rust than I thought!!! Should get the car back on the road by end of october, ready in time for Nurburgring on 28th Oct.

As such, I havent had chance to do much with the set up yet. I do however have this niggle in the back of my head after dougs comment on his ref transient fuelling issues. I would hate to spend lots of time on it and then end up with the same problem.

JJ

 

Dougs problem it was very possible to just drive around and no one would ever notice it, and his setup was a lot more extreme than yours, i dont think you will have an issue TBH mate

On doug's providing you opened the throttle a bit slowly when going from zero throttle it was fine anyway, it was only banging it suddenly open that caused issues and that doesnt actually accelerate you more quickly than progressively opening it anyway.

Pretty minor, but still a niggle, but as person who drives car all the time you will quickly learn to drive around it anyway if yours does do it.

Should still get sorted at some point though of course, but just pointing out its NOT going to ruin the car or anything.

 

The main question has yet to be answered though Who is taking over the project, who do we see for support and when are the long overdue promised updates availiable

Bri

 

Try PMing SECS to ask as he is the only one who knows.

 

Tried PM'ing and emailing loads in the past all with no responce

Bri.

 

Unfortunate stuff Bri, but following on that discussion is something that J has asked people NOT to do in this post.

 

Sorted

 

Thanks for keeping in the spirit of the post guys. Annoying people gets us no-where at all.


Brief Off topic :L

Chip - do you still go to WSM much? I have been meaning to go soon, but keep making excuses!! I may even still bring the M5 up (if I can afford the fuel!!!! LOL)

Back On Topic

Thanks for the informatino on the transient fuelling chip, I will bear that in mind. It is more reassuring.

JJ

 

JjCoDeX75 what may also reassure you is that karl of NMS borrowed an S8 for nearly a year for 'development'

 

Hi

I do remember you telling me that Karl Did. I thought about taking the car there to be tuned, but to be honest, I understand that Karl then password protects the map.

Dont get me wrong, I understand the reasons why he does this, but this is not particularly helpful for me, given that I bought the system to allow me to play with the settings, and allow me to continue to develop the car beyond that point.

Not to worry though, my friend locally reckons he can do it, as he has used other systems such as omex etc, and his mapping skills are pretty good from what I gather!!

I am quite excited to have a crack at it. Maybe once I get the car going again, I will start a thread on what we do and when, in the hope that it will help others, given that I make any headway with it

JJ

 

i've took a year off from the cossie, (due to buying a house, and playing with other car).

The cars been off the road since Feb this year, and i've been selling some bits from it, as when i get round to it (before next spring) the spec will be changing slightly,
as going different inlet, exh/wastegate setup, new rad and inter, but keeping the S8 as since its been working fine, i haven't had a issue..

and it will be back for 07 session of sprints and trackdays.

 

Good man! Glad to hear that the project is alive and kicking.

I took the car off the road six months ago to do a few 'minor repairs' and it has snowballed as usual. I also spend a shedload of money on my boat, which has left the cossie a little behind.

I'll be interested to know what inlet system you are running, and why you gave up the 8 injector setup. This was one of the setups I was considering, but have never quite got round to getting it (mainly due to excessive cost)

JJ

 

Hi all

I've got an S8 on my p100 and its been great, had some issues with the base map 8803 in the beginning but Chip helped me to get hold of Simon and he sorted it over the phone. Great product

 

i'm doing my own inlet , for 1 so it fits the car better for space, and 2 to sell the 8inj setup, as will help pay for the other changes.

 

Hmm

fiesta cossi, perhaps we should have a chat then at some point

JJ

 

Nice to hear the success storys. P100 sounds like an interesting project. Was this the one that I saw in a magazine recently?

JJ

 

Yeah sure..

 

i'm running an s8 ecu on my fiesta 2.0zvh 750cc injectors, coil pack, 32-1 crank sensor.
mapped by paul hill @engine advantages.

simon put the base map in then karl norris done the Initial mapping with the closed loop lambda and water injection but could'nt finish off the map for various reasons but mainly due to the bad steering, sorted out the problems then paul hill finished off the map ended up with 428bhp and 404fbt . i think the ecu an excellent bit of kit. but could do with a software upgrade to allow anti-lag, wide band lambda i am sure this software is Available because simon was running anti-lag on his escort with the s8 come on simon money waiting m8.

thanks

sean

 

Wow - Sounds like an interesting project!

How did people get around the rev counter problem if using the distributorless ignition when using the S8?

JJ

 

i've got a auto meter rev counter with a coil pack converter.

cant remember if the std rev counter works, as cant see as my wide band display is in front of it.

 

Sounds like you have your priorities right on the display!!! Wide band information in my opinion is far more important!

I am sure that Nick told me that it will half the correct reading on the ECU, as the no of ign amps are doubled, the r counter gives the wrong info.

Hmmmmm

 

BTTT