was just reading a old pf mag ... well April 2003 to be exact..

seven valleys RST king of the hill right-up ..... is it still king of the hill in the RST world .. or does some one ells now where that crown .. if so who is king now ?

 

If you call in an RST, certainly not an RST engine anymore

 

that was the whole point that Ben was trying to make in that mag, you can put any engine the Escort really, but it doesn't mean its still an RST, just the shell, which to me is right.

It should be about how far you can push the original CVH engine.

All the others are Escort/whatever hybrids...

For example if someone stuck a phantom jet engine to the top of an RST and hit Mach2, would it be fair to say its the fastest RST in the world?

No...

 

So Wes - if it's all about original engine then head work, diffierent cam, diffierent turbo, diffierent pistons, diffierent c/r, diffierent fueling, diffierent exhaust system etc are all not included.

 

I think myself and Wes are saying it should still be a 1600cvh engine, or at least a 1900cvh

Noting RST engine about that car at all

 

Another can of worms opened and deployed

 

 

As long its ays RST on the logbook its an RST simple.

People say its not standard so as soon as you put in a halfords bulb instead of a Ford one its changed from the manufactuars spec.

Bollox just be happyu the world od of RS tuning is still progressing and people still have enough admiration to spend shit loads on old Escorts

 

IMO an RST should be a 1600 CVH

Just my opinion

 

Totally agreed with Less and guess what...at all of the events and mag shoot outs zetec turbo's are classified as an RST so

FACT of the matter is anyone saying RST have to be 1600cvh are saying this as they know they don't stand a chance against an R S TURBO with a proper engine. Also Once engine capacity has increased DVLA are informed and make ammendments however not to the name RS TURBO!

 

my own personal view is that an rst is an rst with a cvh in... if i timed a reader with a s2 rst converted to rwd and cossie powered i would put him in the cossie class.
BEN

 

Hey dudes just curious about this post.. so then would this also be the same as saying..
Martin's car with the ally block and head wasn't really a cosworth cause it's a different engine?
Please explain why yes and or no? (before some say he doesn't have it anymore, this is of course when it was in)
Thanks peeps

 

So in the same way the big power Esc Cossies running skyline boxes are no cossies then

 

my point exactly gentlemen.

 

I see both points to this discussion - keep it this way

 

Also what would you prefer...fastest RST's being slow or fast in comparison to other makes?

 

So putting in a chevy V8 in maestro dont make it a maetstro I think not

 

Less, your wrong!!!! it'll still be crap it's a chevy!!

 

Assmaul your an amercian so your views are rated as higky as a welshmans

In other words no one gives a toss

 

intersting chap- so what would you nclass your fezzie under when its done?
IMO its whats on the log book- regardless of engine!


Wes- if someone has got the enginineering knowledge to do that, they are more than worthy of having the title IMO lol!

 

Higky?
stop being racist and calling me american...I'm Peruvian! I just happen to live in America

 

ur a coont

 

American Peruvian...EVEN WORSE!!!

 

 

The main limiting factor on a turbo'd car (if the rest is strong enough) is how much the head can flow. Maybe the head should be the determining factor?

 

I personally don't think it matters at all. It's all mods to make you go faster.

 

You'd never know who's head flow figures were right or not Phil. Besides I still stand by my original words.

 

rolls - my fez will go under, 'miscellaneous!' I really don't care what my car's classed as i just look at the times!
ok guys (fastmaul)... and let's be honest here, if martins escort had done his times using a blown big block chevy and a two / three speed auto box, i doubt anyone would have crowned it the 'king cossie.' am i right in assuming this, or would everyone have been happy (this being the case) if we'd have put 'the fastest cossie ever' on the front cover with his car? i think not!
Cheers,
Ben

 

I spose you can never define the classes that any car should be in, its all down to personal opinion....

Rolls I did see a write up about a bloke that did it in America, but the car actually took off and went into a mountain a couple of miles away, all they found of the person that did it was a finger nail....

 

Sunny, Ranj, Less...stop getting off topic and go get on eachother!
back to topic

Does an enigine change make that car the same model anymore??

 

Wes, lies all lies

 

I didn't say I beleived it....

 

if you are going to argue of any limits then it should be the CVH head (i.e it should be on there)

 

The thing is everyone has different views what counts and there are so many variables in the tuning world.

Martins cossie was a fine example of what mainly still a cossie engine on evolution of the cossie engine with other custom made parts to cope with the power.

The same can be said about most RST,s i.e the zvhS zetecs

But in the same way most people wouldnt class an XR3i/XR2i with a RST engine transplant as an RS.Or if Jim fitted a cossie YB engine in his XR4i it would still be an XR.

But fitting a chevy V8 and auto box to Martins is totally altering its original charector okay it would still be a cossie but it all depends on what your own personal views of the limits are.

If I wanted to belong to a club where veryone agreed I would buy an Allegro

 

make your mind up Jon.

To me personally....I believe in what I posted, anyone else who thinks other than that is entitled to their own opinion.

Thanks - Sunny.

 

Erik, I think this will always be a grey area and one where people agree to disagree...

my whole point is that if an rst with a 500bhp cossie lump and rwd went to an rst vs cossie event, and banged out an 11second quarter, the people saying "it doesn't matter what engine your car's got, it's still an rst on the log book" would soon change their tune when owner of said car went up to collect the rst trophy. My guess is they'd be saying, "but thats not fair it's a cossie".

BEN

 

Thanks Ben, but I think us Yank Ford/cossie guys would be highly offended if he used a chevy..since that's our Biggest rivals here!! It's like saying I'm putting a scooby engine in my Cossie.
Ok, I do understand your answer, but did it have the original YB in it at the time? i don't remember?? anyway. cool dude!
_edited cause I didn't see the other replies!
Ben ok dude, I see what your saying! Indeed always a grey area!
now can we please stop saying Chevy engines and say big ole Ford V8's!! at least it's still a ford!

 

Fastmaul no we wont join a gay orgy now fook you wannabe amercian pervian weirdo

 

Less - you said its still a rst or cossie on the log book... martins car would still have cossie on the log book. backtrackin'!
Ben