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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 03:15 PM
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Started to put my pro alloy front mount cooler in today after much f***ing about got it bolted in, but even with me spaceing the rad out with washers as much as possible i only have 10mm between the cooler and the front panel,the fans are 50mm thick this means to fit them i will have to cut the front top part of the panel out between the spots has any won else had to do this cheers andy
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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 03:40 PM
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sorry cant help ya but would be well interested to see how you get on as im was just thinking about buying a front mount intercooler
hope it goes well in the end
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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 04:20 PM
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pm i u need any more help or rswoza@aol.com for msn

insted of bending the piece up you should bend it down and cut half way between the mounting point for the grill, cut the panel with a junior hack saw not a grinder and make sure u paint where u have cut.

the idea of this is if u ever have to sell your car u can take the intercooler out bend the flap up re weld with 2 spots and repaint then back to standard. instead of what i have seen were peeps have cut friggin geat chunks out and covered the cut edge with edging strip that looks guff imo.
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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 04:35 PM
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Thanks WOZA will have another look tommorow looks like they have updated the cooler a bit the top tank on mine looks bigger than the won in your link pic anyway thanks mate
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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 05:34 PM
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mines been cut out, i know it looks crap

but only way really

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Take it out - sell it - get something better

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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 06:12 PM
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Take it out - sell it - get something better

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i second that
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whys that? pro alloy?
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Bad for water temps i hear

someone will say in depth i hope
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ACT's aint the best with them either!!
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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 07:10 PM
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do ya have to cut anything with GRS front mount one?
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do ya have to cut anything with GRS front mount one?
Only if you want to retain the spot lamps
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does it look smart if ya dont have the spot lights and leave the grill out?
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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 07:35 PM
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does it look smart if ya dont have the spot lights and leave the grill out?
NO
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gotta have the grill in!
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Originally Posted by Ad4m RST
Bad for water temps i hear

someone will say in depth i hope

what crap

pro alloy are sorting the issue they have with there i/c for hi bhp powered cars for the act
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didnt have a problem with mine


water injection was set to come in at 40 degress, never heard it on once
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didnt have a problem with mine


water injection was set to come in at 40 degress, never heard it on once

gus some how i find that very hard to belive
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in all honesty, There was NO need to cut that much of the front panel off series1ajc!!!!!! if you had taken a bit more time,you could have used a jig saw and shaped the top of the panel around the fans....
This would have made it look a lot neater and would hardly be noticable with the grill in.
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ON my mk3,I used a mk4(Series two)NEW LARGE FRONT MOUNTED REDTEC intercooler......It was proper easy to fit!!!!!!

IS larger than the pro alloy jobbie

IS Cheaper than the GRS

AND comes with two fans!!!!!

All i had to do was use a s2 rad.

I will try and dig out some old close up pics...
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has jano not done this with his left the grill out and left the spots off???
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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by James Raby
Take it out - sell it - get something better
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That's why I'm going the 4x4 Cos cooler with custom radiator: straight(-ish) fitting with no need to cut any panels. Will also be able to use the existing radiator slam panel holes to attach the intercooler once I've moved the brackets, so don't have to drill anymore holes neither
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sorry people,only got one pic of my car before it was stripped to get an overhaul. this is a pic without the bumper on so that you get the gist of it
To fit the bumper it needed loads of triming,i made brackets so that i could STILL keep the grill.(without the grill i think you take the look of the s1,and it looks a bit gay.imo.
I had to trim the grill up quite a bit as well(the added bonus of this was extra airflow!!!!!!!!)
BETTER TO HAVE HALF A GRILL THAN NON AT ALL
without a grill it looks like a half done job and a bit barryboy.

OH,and i have never had ANY overheating probs,and the car temps behave NO DIFFERENT to what it used to be without the large intercooler!

Finally i cut a square out of the bumper and fitted black velcro either side of the hole,and below the bumper in the front spolier.I then fitted velcro to the no plate so that i can remove/move the numberplate to where ever i want(extra airflow without lookin too gay...
withou bumper
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withbumper,lower positioned plate (FOR FULL BORE MODE LEGALLY!!!)
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With plate in original position for stealth mode ORIGINAL
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That looks very nice
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thanks mate.
Alot of people arent keen on the plate down there,i can understand why,but the plate blocks up loads of the intercooler and i want as low act temps as possible.
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Originally Posted by rightstuff
in all honesty, There was NO need to cut that much of the front panel off series1ajc!!!!!! if you had taken a bit more time,you could have used a jig saw and shaped the top of the panel around the fans....
This would have made it look a lot neater and would hardly be noticable with the grill in.

I tried this and it is far to fiddly to shape the panel around the fans, so just cut it away in the end, also makes it slightly easier to remove, its not big deal cut notice it once grill is back in.......

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im fitting a cat sensor tomorrow so will be interesting to see what kind of readings i get.

regarding over heating issues, once i sorted a correct temperature sensor so i now have an acurate guide to temperature (bearing in mind i have a proalloy rad as well) there is no issue a very effective rad and cooler imo.

the s1 temp sensor is different to the s2 and gives a very different reading the tuner who put my engine together put a new sensor in the engine as u would expect.i said it wasent right and even looked up the part at a local motor factors who gave me an identical part to what the tuner put in... took an old sensor off a head i had kicking around and job done, it was a male spade type sensor NOT a male bullet type.

not running crazey boost 15 psi and ive had no probs ( touch wood )
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Originally Posted by Alex zvh cabrio
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didnt have a problem with mine


water injection was set to come in at 40 degress, never heard it on once

gus some how i find that very hard to belive


mine was only on the road for 2 days but i never had any issues with it
(i did give it death aswell)
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Wot sort of intercoolers have you got again?
Which ones on the S1 and wot fans, did ya have to cut anything to get it in?
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Originally Posted by Jano_OddKidd
If you look on that pic, you can see that the front end has been cut away. Have a look where the fan edge meets the passenger headlight: there is no panel across there, as it was cutaway.
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Alex zvh cabrio

whats the fix for the intercoolers??

i have one i bought it over a year ago but aint used it yet!
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Im hoping to fit a front mount on my S1, if it can be seen when fitted tho its not getting fitted

Im hoping to do what this bloke's done



Pretty sure my cooler is the same and hes not cut that much
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ACT's were the issue, not water temps if I addes water wetter
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I just can't believe the amount of people that have Water temp issue's with these Coolers.

If you use old shit, you will have issue's. Replace the Radiator, or have it recored. Mine is still the standard Rad, but has been recored. My fans come on in 2 stages, one at 90° and one at 92°. They quickly drag the temperature down and then cycle nicely. It never over-heats.

Also, make sure the Modine isn't blocked and the Thermostat housing is nice and clear and has a new stat in it.

Mine is perfect from every respect with the GRS. Good coolant temps and fantastic ACT's, even with 30psi. Speaks for itself I think.

Pro Alloy's stuff is AMAZINGLY well made and all of their products are spot-on, however the RST Intercooler's need some developing. I just can't imagine where the problem is, I hope they sort it.
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I agree, but remember the trip to TRAX when we ALL had water temp issues on the way??

When you slow down or not forcing the air in, that's where problems did arise, but I DID sort it by experimenting with antifreeze/water mix and by adding water wetter

I bet most of you lot haven't even flushed the water system out incl rad since the car was new
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I agree, but remember the trip to TRAX when we ALL had water temp issues on the way??
When was that?? The only issue I remember having on the way to Trax was when I blew the small Coolant hose for the Modine. Nothing to do with high temps.
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Myself, Carl and yourself all had 3/4 to almost red temps??
Mind you it was very hot and we didn't have a run down period, just came to a stop on a roundabout
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Im getting worried about the missis S1 now lol
We have a brand new pro alloy rad and cooler to go on it but now im not sure wether to get rid of the cooler and replace it with a grs or rad tec?

obviosly will have fresh water and anti freeze and thermostat etc.

Whats your opinions, shall i or not?

Will be running around 1.5b and about 250/260bhp.

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