i like d/v's i had mine before the damn movies came out, mine came from grahame goode along with a monster 57i, at just a tad under a grand. Sounds like a bomb hitting the street when i change gear, and I fookin love it. Dont think the OAP's like too much but who cares. It is def a love it or hate it thing, philsaph4x4 (my boss) stripped his off when he got his cossie. I'm no 16 year old either, so its not an age group thing in my case, i just love the sound.