Hello Phil,i have apologised on the other thread.May i just explain,when i women wants a people carrier they normally are going through a phase of wanting children and are telling you in an arse about face way,now the little bit of humour i added was that if you were of the seedless variety and your wife never knew this,it could be end of marriage time.Of course it was meant in the best possible taste,please excuse the Kenny Everret line.I hope you share the humour.