Raced an Evo 7 and there was hardly anything in it. How hard the guy was trying I don't know, but I was thrashing the arse out the beemer They're not about out and out speed, but an all round car. Feels so much more refined, doesn't drink fuel like an Evo and I hammer it day in day out and hasn't given any bother. Use it for work and cover easy 300 miles a week. Love it