The biggest problem is 90% of people on car groups think there know it all simple fact is most dont hence like graham goode and places are still going strong NMS i mean why would you bother paying ££££s for live maps etc when u can ring some C$$T off gumtree etc to do it at your home for £80 lol.... Thats the problem here tho simple fact is a turbo xflow worth having will cost like £5000 maybe more if you carnt do out yourself etc ..