yeah i be looking at eiher a loan or saving for the next car now :/ mine gives up before then i just pick up a cheap runabout, main issue got me into this mess is the wife being on my back to get a newer family car she just overly negative about 2nd hand but she has changed her tune to me looking at 3-5yr old cars now since that dealership experience, main thing gets me so angry is stress put my wife through the way that dealer treated us, if just me id prob never gone there in the first place, its very odd for them to get so angry for asking for a deal :/ surely must be used to that being in the business there in. guy went nuts at my wife down the phone as she rang there manager having a go (she normally quite reserved type shy with phones) so to see her having a go at them down the phone shows how far they pushed the limit but she said to them down the phone we wanted the car just wanted a 2yr warranty they promised on it and he went nuts saying he pissed off at me for pushing a deal :/ in scheme of things i didnt even push that much as i only asked once by email what they could do for me and they only offered extra warranty, think wanted to sell the car to someone else as i never saw it go back online and wanted to do anything to piss me off and get rid of me, at the end of the day made it impossible for me to pick up and canceled the day susposed to deliver it as well, anyway indirectly prob done me a massive favour so some irony there in a way.