thanks for the reply , i was consindering a duratec as you said they can make power fairly cheaply and it does sound like a fair bit of money/work to do the job i intended to do. my main intention for the car is fast road car /something unique my buddy has a mk5 fiesta zs with a 1.7 puma lump and its bloody nippy , your car sounds lovely i do love the 205 , was considering getting one and doing the 2.0mit (could be wrong here) swap but know next to nothing about pugs so stuck with what i know ford , that would be great to come have a look to see how youve done it one day