So how are they "out of the box" then? Not as exciting as they could be or is it just that they need more power? I've got a diseaseal 1.4 14 plate as a daily and that could handle twice the power easily but they are expensive to buy in the first place and ice seen ST's going for rather low money a couple of k which is why I'm tempted

I'll suffer with the one I've got until it dies but it's always nice to have a car to go out and look for when the time is right rather than figure out what to get when you are in a rush