Originally Posted by Versus_Creations

Thats a very strange statment that I know james also stu would not of said. Think how much bussiness this statment would lose them as a company who is known as one of the leaders in the country.
Stu has had supplied and fitted this management and has had great results by his own mouth.
Considering the management has nothing to do with cosworth in any way I find it very funny.
Its also fitted to over 50 cars on the market making it one of the most widely used management systems in the world.

If your happy thats all that counts, if it was me I would of just fixed whatever issue you had and saved the money in changing to another system that will make no difference to power or control etc etc. Its all in the fine tuning. Either you know how or you blame something else.

Without a doubt it cost more to change than fixing whatever the problem was.
So what setup manifold and inlet sensors etc are you running now.

Originally Posted by Versus_Creations

Ric its not designed for any car Not a cosworth! Or rst!
Its designed for every car.
In simple english the ecu is fitted to almost any type of engine you can think of.

New looms are available for any management you get what you pay for. If you have the money for a new loom buy one. Many people have and I can assure you that no other loom will match the rachemdr25 loom we use.

Then you go on to say a 20 year old management. The funny thing is its still for sale today at £1800 for an ecu. Still does exactly the same thing it done 20 years ago because there is no need to change something that works so well.

Lastly...what your saying is that MSD are going to tell their customers to change management. I find that hard to belive.

This is how most systems work.

If I fit any management whatever it may be I get it for trade and sell it on at the rrp which I am not allowed to lower. Each one I sell I make x amount of money. If I sell new stuff I make more money simple.

However I choose to use a weber ecu, make no money on parts like ecu etc
I get the same results if not better than the next car for much less money.

If there was a better way I would be doing it.
After 15 years I get to see what works and who benifits.

Dont get me wrong there is better.
Pectel
life racing

Now compare the prices of these proper ecu's to a weber one. Both will do the same job.

Botto line is im glad your happy whatever way, just dont give out false info without understaning it all.
Also ric you have been to every tuner in the coutry, everything is fine untill you get a small issue and then you spit your dummy out and the best tuner turns out to be the worst in your eyes.

Do you still talk to jamie who went out of his way to help you when you had the massive crash with that lorry. He drove down all the way to me for your bumper and bonnet etc. He really did help u out with no appreciation from you.
The blokes a real gent.

Originally Posted by James @ M Developments.

I was just being honest really,
Sure the weber ECU can be used and I have mapped plenty that have worked fine, but at the end of the day you are making brackets using different sensors for different jobs etc, I've also seen plenty arrive for mapping with issues that can be time consuming to trace and fix.
So if asked what would I do, if I was building one of these I would be using an aftermarket ECU that is fully configurable,( we can fit and map these too!) and would more than likely end up more cost effective for the owner in the long run, especially when you can end up paying £50-£80 per hour to diagnose and fix issues. I think the last 3 that have come in for mapping have had sync issues and hit a limiter at 5500rpm which is not the rev limiter, the customer assumed the car was running totally fine.
I've seen quite a few knock out crank (phase) sensors as the gap has to be so small, and the bracket moves, then there's the fact you have no workshop settings to follow, so how does somebody set them up?


Many people think its the cheaper option which is why they go this route, but often its not, by the time you have purchased all the weber stuff second hand, then fixed the broken bits, purchased a new loom if needed, then headed into the errors you get from phase and crank sync issues, using a crank sensor instead of a phase with a tiny gap, spent time timing it all up, fitting brackets here and there, at the end of it all you then are very limited to tuners for Weber mapping of good quality, and at the end of the day it does come down to budget and what you get for the money,
which is why If I was going this route with an RST I would go straight to aftermarket where you can decide what you want to do, what sensors you want to run, and its far easier to get great results from.