Not sure if you have read my post chicken but where have i said they are mint and like new. I said they need a refurb hence the bargain price. These would be double if refurbed. I have even been honest with wheel 5 having a few small cracks and i have tried to put as many pics up as poss so nothing is hidden. What more can i do flower. Oh and by the way i have 3 people in a list if the sale falls through too so they must be priced right.

Maybe mint is lost in translation as saying something is in mint condition is different to saying i like that its mint meaning its very nice and nothing to do with the condition.