I know that .. so he should not have payed by pay pal. I have met the guy now he has his goods and I have my cash. in the bank any way. He knew the rules and appologised for his wife who brought the good on his behalf, he knew he was at fault but had not told his wife not to pay, even said if I refused the paypale payment he would pay me again on collection. I think you need to re-read the rule on pay pale. or dont ever buy of me. cheers, Pete