right ok, thanks ... soz more into to the 70s fords myself, they generally have smaller forums so can be a bit more flexible about this sort of thing, read a couple of posts in this area, being more about the modern stuff guess its a bigger market/forum and as such you have had more trouble with this sort of thing, just trying to help friendly guy i met who gave me the time to look over my car and seemed to be good at what he does but wasnt convinced about the value of these online communities to his business, i'll let him know about your rules, cheers