thanks a lot mate, big big help. i did the t/rod ends ealier, real piss easy job. any idea what sockets ill need, i can sort them in advance then. a mate from over the road who knows fords inside out (used to have 4i's back in the 90's) has kindly lent me his snap on cordless ratchet. veryu powerful bit of kit, suproising its only battery powered.