I've just brought a civic type r and think its a great little car yee granted you have to rev the bollox off them to really get the full benefit but when the vetec comes on song it always makes me smile yee you can't compare it to a turbo etc but for a n/a engine it's fantastic almost 200 bhp standard from a n/a 2.0 ain't bad going also the reliability factor is great they very very rarely go wrong I understand they ain't everyone's cups of tea but it's each to they're own