I like fat birds chip hahaha I am not sayin it is bad never had nore have I said there a crap engine as I don't think they are, I think they are a very well designed engine. But the hype they have for them sayin yeh I am n/a etc when they still have a power enhancing device ie vtec witch gets denyed by them. Witch is the point I have tryin to get across the power enhancing device they made is not that brilliant compared to a turbo or supercharger. What wud a vtec be like without vtec and a charger instead etc