Fudgy, I have no idea about forza 4, but judging what I have seen it does not seem much better than forza 3.

its what you want in a game, GT5 is a simulator and totally anal about everything, with version 2.0 which has just come out its, it real, never seen anything like it and the online side is just brilliant.


but, its full of jap cars and yank stuff, you cannot mod graphics, limited wheel choice.


if you like modding a car and pissing about on a track, with your mates and your not bothered how real it is then Foza4, if your anal twat like me, were it must be perfect go for GT5.