John, I'm in pontefract west yorkshire, you were the first to reply on here so I've got to honour that. I'm home tomorrow, I'll give em a clean and put some better pics up. If you want to have a look at them that's fine by me. Nick, in the meantime I'll measure them up, please appreciate for me it will be much easier on my part to not have to package them up, although I will be willing if it comes to it.