But it still costs alot for the rims as I got quotes on patterns to re cast the centres and the casting ain't cheap to , back to the other part of this thread about mags life span , it's all good saying msg is no good after a time period (lets say 10 years for example) but that means that most the mag uprights and rear arms on cars ( other that repro,s ) are also no good along with wrc sump pans and so on which high lights how they have been looked after ref, storage , for example I know you don't use your car much but are your wheels mag centre lockers and if so what's to say there still any good ??, it just that if I truely thought that after x amount of time that mag was no good I would not be putting it on my car unless it was going on a mantil piece