mate i compared the type r with my 190bhp mapped bora! and the other civis i raced wer all like 1.6 vtecs etc.. the k series one was raced against a evo and lost and raced against me on the a38 and also got left behind. im just saying civics are over rated!! why do people think they are RAPID? like i said i smoke them in a remapped bora tdi ! thats just a run about so why the big hype about the vtec? there ok ish but QUICK