Well, couldnt get a stat tonight, so have to wait till tomorrow for 1, so, in my wisdom I butchered the stat I have now, cut the cage off and removed the moving parts so i ended up with just the disc and the seal, i fitted it, topped up with water and went for a drive, and guess what.............it is exactly the same as it was with a working stat in it. I think next step is heater matrix? anybody else want to throw some ideas at me I am more than welcome. I have got somebody wanting to buy the car now aswell but I wont sell it as it is