It makes me sad, but yeah, its happening all the time, maybe not so much in Europe, but the price of petrol and everything else is going to drive this culture underground.

With regards to the sour apple bit, its so true, 99% of the people who I speak to on here and have met from here, are really REALLY top people. I am so glad I got involved with the car scene because of the people that do it. But there is always that 1% that ruin it.