Well i took the upper steering column cover off and still couldnt get the clock out no matter which way i turned it and i didnt want to force it or anything. Im pretty good with cars and this is my 12th one and i love to tinker about with them but hate anything to do with electrics and i thought changing the dash bulbs was pretty easy but apparently not,lol. Changed them to leds in my old civic no problem so thought this was gonna be the same sort of thing.