ill try turning it whilst pushing it back then.

Yeh the front n/s bad was worn out and grinding so thought i might aswell stick grooved discs and kevlar pads on all round just incase i decide to go for a bit more power soon.

Got no fucker to hand my keys to, if i breaks or needs replacing i sort it myself!
Even diagnosed a leak on my old civic as power steering hose, ordered new part and fitted it. Job done!!
(yes im pleased with myself now!!)